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Hi, im looking into buying the Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro. Has anyone played this guitar? Are you able to tell me abit about the specs and how thick the neck and body are?
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
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Hi, im looking into buying the Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro. Has anyone played this guitar? Are you able to tell me abit about the specs and how thick the neck and body are?
Thank you!
Luthier area of the foro is guitar makers. You could ask them about THEIR guitars and commission one from one of them.
Unless someone from Alvarez y Bernal is member here they will not know the answers, and likely won't want to give out info on someone else's guitar.... does Alvarez y Bernal not have a website with their specs etc. on? You could email them to ask...
Asking if anyone has played Alvarez y Bernal guitars is a more general question, not specific to Luthiery, although to be honest I rarely look at what section a post is in when I click "todays posts"....
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
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Should I re post in general and ask the question, has anyone played this guitar?
you could do.
have you seen one for sale somewhere? online? what is making you thinking of this guitar in particular? a guitarist you like playing it?
personally I wouldn't buy a guitar without trying it first (and even then I have managed to buy some guitars I later regretted), regardless of who I've seen playing it or recommending it.
maybe you have a budget and could ask for recommendations for what else you could get for that budget?
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
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Should I re post in general and ask the question, has anyone played this guitar?
Hi Steve, Alvarez y Bernal guitars are not the best only marketing...
the sound is not that good I had one Flamenca Concierto and their not that good rather you go for a good one and save your money my best advice is to try them, Valeriano Bernal are much better for what it seems,
Depending on what youre looking for, tbh I own a Javier Casta;o and their really good you can find a good deal on the second market for 3k, even Victor Quintanilla
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
how much is your budget? lets say 2-3k? If 2k please save the construction on the Alvarez is really bad it had cracked in less than 3 years also you can see the botom
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RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Morante)
I was asking for advice because I don’t know lol! I’m just looking to try something a step higher :) Thanks guys for all your advice really appreciate it
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
The person I would ask is Luciano Ghosn. He is an excellent player and he bought one. He bought it even though he already had a Devoe. He has a channel on YouTube. I don't know how to contact him, but he is a very nice guy and might answer you in the comments section. Check out his review of his guitar on his channel.
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to mark indigo)
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
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Hi, im looking into buying the Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro. Has anyone played this guitar? Are you able to tell me abit about the specs and how thick the neck and body are?
Thank you!
Luthier area of the foro is guitar makers. You could ask them about THEIR guitars and commission one from one of them.
Unless someone from Alvarez y Bernal is member here they will not know the answers, and likely won't want to give out info on someone else's guitar.... does Alvarez y Bernal not have a website with their specs etc. on? You could email them to ask...
Asking if anyone has played Alvarez y Bernal guitars is a more general question, not specific to Luthiery, although to be honest I rarely look at what section a post is in when I click "todays posts"....
Thank you for pointing this out, if I had done it myself I’m sure I would’ve insulted any number of people whilst chastising the OP for not making the connection to this section of the Foro:
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to BradH)
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ORIGINAL: BradH
The person I would ask is Luciano Ghosn. He is an excellent player and he bought one. He bought it even though he already had a Devoe. He has a channel on YouTube. I don't know how to contact him, but he is a very nice guy and might answer you in the comments section. Check out his review of his guitar on his channel.
If you were actively studying with LG it might be appropriate to ask him about a student guitar or a next step; but I have to ask, why would you approach one of the worlds top level professionals out of the blue and ask them an opinion on a guitar for a relative beginner to study with?
Who emailed Paco de Lucia to ask about which student guitar they should buy?
LG is on social media, now working with a Japanese dealer, as he lives in Japan. Personally I wouldn’t bother him to show him one of my guitars unless it was absolutely my AAA game guitar.
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
It would be considerate if y’all would start having these product review discussions in the product review section where they really belong. Then a whole data base of guitar product information could be amassed over there.
This section is about guitar making and as guitar makers it’s both awkward and frustrating to be put into the position of being a guitar shop floor manager who has to explain and parse out student guitars for beginner players. If we wanted to work at a guitar shop doing retail sales information we probably would already be doing that. It’s against our self interests to take time to provide details that retailers would be much better at giving.
Here we can trouble shoot many set up problems for players, show our own work and have talks about helping each other build guitars- or share information about guitar making resources.
Thanks for thinking about this topic and everyone is of course welcome to join in on a guitar making related level.
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RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
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Compared to camps and Alhambra or Raimundo which I’m playing now, is it a step higher
“Hand made” in a FACTORY. With MACHINES. They have guys specialize on parts of the guitar. The concept of “hand made” that reflects price refers to a SINGLE luthier building a single instrument at a time. The price necessarily goes up to the 5K range. I am not saying that such a hand made instrument is ‘better” than a factory guitar. I will say the best factory guitar is Conde.
I usually play camps, Alhambra etc.. jeronimo de Carmen suggested I try this.
The web page says their estudio guitars are outsourced to other manufacturers, while their “luthier” guitars are made in house, by their “master luthier and his team.” Of their many models only two have the word “luthier” in their name, at much higher prices than the one you name.
As others have indicated, a guitar being “hand made” is no guarantee that you will like it.
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RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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As others have indicated, a guitar being “hand made” is no guarantee that you will like it.
To expand on Richard's observation, many guitars that are identified as "hand made" are not made by some artisan/luthier imagined to be someone akin to a craftsman in a medieval guild building a limited number of guitars from start to finish. Most are anything but. That doesn't mean they are not good. It does mean that the term "hand made" should be viewed with a healthy amount of skepticism.
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of course, that's where it should go, I didn't even think of that section, I don't think it gets used much, but for sure, that's where it should go. That section should be for requesting as well as posting product reviews and info.
just to echo what others have said above, the web says "Handmade guitars by our master luthier with his team." The guitars are no doubt made in batches by a team overseen by the "master luthier". That's a long way from one luthier in their workshop making guitars individually (or working on a second while the glue dries on the first, or whatever).
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
Then again Steven I ask you, how much is your budget?
Just to make this clear and good for you, Im NOT selling you nothing, I DONT own a shop, and im NOT a luthier-guitar builder,
If you say your budget is 3k we can recommend good guitars... lets say you can find a Javier Castaño in the second market for 3k and let me tell you their amazing...
RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
Could you guys please move these conversations to the Product Review section? Thank you
If you look on the content directory page you’ll find the General section and the Product Review sections- those sections were developed for these kinds of talks.
Asking who plays what guitar or personal evaluations / comparisons between intermediate level instruments are Product Reviews, and have nothing do do with instrument making.
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RE: Alvarez y Bernal flamenco pro (in reply to Steven Campoli)
I am with Estebana, It’s not a topic for the lutherie section. In this case the guitar is not even luthier made…. I understand things got too far to move it now and yet…
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