This is why RB is relevant

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estebanana

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This is why RB is relevant

This is part of my complaint of what I don’t like about flamenco today, canned palmas tracks. The video brings that subject to the bigger question of how music will become all canned by AI and I wonder to what extent this will effect flamenco that gets released as a popular form of flamenco.

Will AI utilize flamenco in popular music and how will it affect the public perception of flamenco?

And this kind of questioning, debate and musical discourse is why Rick Beato is relevant. You may not like him as a musician, ( his tone is better that the **** coming off polyester- poly fart) but he keeps his position on the challenges to music up to date.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 31 2023 2:16:13

Ricardo

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RE: This is why RB is relevant (in reply to estebanana)

You can blame Vicente amigo for the looped palmas click tracks. It saved recording time and money when it appeared, and guitarists realized they could get the palmeros under control and do more subtle rhythmic things with falsetas. I agree that the best is perfect palmeros that don’t screw up a recording and follow the music dynamically, but it is hard to find that. The most annoying thing on stage are palmeros that decide it is THEIR solo when you are trying to play a falseta. Then there are the wack wack wackers that think you need a Clara metronome in your face the entire time, yet, are not even metronomic. I think the concept of click tracks and digital drums are fairly natural route for musicians for a long time….however, I agree that good palmeros should be employed and practice WITH click tracks that are erased, allowing their live take to go down. For a brief period there we heard about Bobete and Electrico who were a palmero “team”. Nuñez was always lucky to have his wife’s unique sounding palmas laid down on various tracks (I once thought they were digital tracks until I saw and heard them live). But even he, later on last albums, succumbed to the ease of loops.

Auto tuning pitch is quite different to me. If a proper wide band vibrato is used like Chacon (who basically used a wide vibrato like Bruce Dickinson etc.), auto tune is ridiculous. But today you hear singers holding out single pitches with no vibrato or expression. The auto tuning IS the expression and honestly it is beautiful due to its accuracy relative to the music. I certainly don’t want to hear their natural voices. One of the worst cases was that bald metal singer doing Sound of Silence. It was “too cool” then I found the live footage that did not have the fakery and it was awful. So keep the autotune on please. Meanwhile, encourage people to sing in tune for real with vibrato. I had a huge argument with a singer friend recently who wanted to insist that good singers would use this for the “effect”, and I disagreed that the shyt digital “effect” had any value artistically. We sampled tons of modern music and I pointed out where it fails every time. Obviously it came down to disagreement of where he or I thought it was being used at all. Meaning it was TOO SUBTLE to matter as an effect anyway.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 31 2023 12:03:39

Mark2

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RE: This is why RB is relevant (in reply to estebanana)

I was commenting on his guitar playing, not his musicianship, which is way more developed than most folks, including myself. He's got some impressive credits as a producer. Not sure if he's played guitar on a bunch of recordings or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he played on the records he produced.

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

You may not like him as a musician, ( his tone is better that the **** coming off polyester- poly fart) but he keeps his position on the challenges to music up to date.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 31 2023 16:32:35

estebanana

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RE: This is why RB is relevant (in reply to estebanana)

See @ 5:19 T Pain sings without auto tune, on NPR Tiny Desk Concert

Sorry T without auto tune is light years better and more beautiful.

But the topic Billy Corgan brings up us frightful.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2023 2:34:17

Brendan

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RE: This is why RB is relevant (in reply to Mark2)

In several videos he tells the story of his career as a producer in the 1990s recording bands who couldn’t play their own material well enough. So he’d get a session drummer in and play (or discreetly double) the guitar parts himself.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2023 7:56:14

estebanana

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RE: This is why RB is relevant (in reply to Brendan)

I have an old friend who toured in a band that opened for REM. He said Peter Buck drank so much that his guitar tech often had to substitute for him in the second set. 😂

File: Rock tour war stories

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 2 2023 16:15:06