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PLasencia
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 RE: @ALL (last time) (in reply to XXX)
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@1) Of course one can have an opinion, but I feel that he generalises too much about "as usual" classical specialists...the work EF has done was in his time. I just tell the story that he did. "As usual"may be a "correct opinion" (whatever that may be) in Doitsujin's time, but not appropriate for the moment it was written.
@2)¿I'm calm? I'm just direct in communicating and I don't fear any sharp language to make myself clear. In fact I was trying to write in an understanding and mild way. Please tell me if you have the impression that I am rude or angry.
@3)I'm trying not to be objective and I don't want to convince anyone either. I just think that the way Doitsujin expresses himself is a bit black&white. If he would be milder and more open to things that may be "not of any use" to him personally, he could still consider the beauty of it. Beauty, together with music, does not have any other aims than to please. That's the only use I can think of. The site was made out of love and respect for a very original man who was struck by flamenco, way ahead in his time. It may well be that music/sound becomes a part of the site, in order to complete the tribute.
By the way, there is an original "dusty" 78RPM recording of a duet between Sabicas & Niño Ricardo on the site-menu. Beautiful in my ears.
And the last sentence was no accusation, but a provocation. Just f**cking around. (I'm sure you will forgive me ;) )
Cheers friends and enjoy.
With love,
Plasencia
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Date Mar. 31 2006 19:14:30
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XXX
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 RE: Edward Freeman & Paco de Lucía (in reply to PLasencia)
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Hm, you understood me a bit wrongly.
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Of course one can have an opinion
1)Its not about having any opinion. He said its useless and he said why it is. You could have said: "Not it IS usefull, because..."
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the work EF has done was in his time
What does that mean? Iits funny to think of something that somebody does, which is not in his time (time travel?).
The reason why something is appropriate is not dependant of the time itself, but the conditions of the time. Here and now, these notes are not that usefull. We have tabbing programs and DVDs. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say: "But in that time they were"... who cares now?
2/3) Anger or not, that was really not my point. The problem is, you are telling hes ignorant, but instead of "proving" it by giving reasons where he made a mistake in his statement, you say "I'm trying not to be objective". Well thats pretty bad for a statement isnt it?
"I don't want to convince anyone either" - youre just doing it ("If he would be milder").
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If he would be milder and more open to things that may be "not of any use" to him personally
LOL why should someone be open to things that are useless and even if its useless only to him?
Beauty ... is in the eye of the beholder
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The site was made out of love and respect for a very original man
Cool, but that was *not* the point.
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And the last sentence was no accusation, but a provocation
I didnt mean to be offensive, hope your answer was not influenced by a wrong picture of my statement, amigo. The question was meant seriously; Im always open to learn new things.
Ps: Yeah, noticed that Sabicas recording. Cool stuff, although I like solo or accompainment guitar more. You know the duet stuff Paco did in the 60s? "Canciones andaluzas..." or so. He recorded it with his brother Pepe I think. Great, can highly recommend it!
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Date Mar. 31 2006 20:08:37
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PLasencia
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RE: Edward Freeman & Paco de Lucía (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Doitsujin,
It's ok man, and to Deniz too. I just don't see how we can disagree. To me it's not "either-or", but "both-and".
In the end, there was some guy in Vietnam that was interested. Bahrain hits the place, so maybe it is of some use, somewhere sometime, to someone who appreciates it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I thought it would be a pity not to share it. I changed my taste like you did, but never ever would I object in advance to a traditional flamenco piece. As to the learning methods, I prefer the auditive way too because that's the quickest for me. I even consider playing the pieces shown and put it on-line. A lot of work too. But then again, that's just me.
Goodnight.
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Date Mar. 31 2006 23:45:07
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: Edward Freeman & Paco de Lucía (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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James,
These guys have long gone off discussing Flamenco.
They are discussing words like lawyers, to see who wins in the end!
It's a man thing!
(Hey...Miguel's wife is a Lawyer!
I wonder if he ever wins any arguments at home?
I certainly don't..and my wife isn't a Lawyer...just has the ordinary Female brain, which seems to be enough!  )
Anyway...
Here's a thing I copied from the eBorneo Classical Forum which made me laugh...
THE SPANISH COMPUTER:
A Spanish teacher was explaining to her class that in Spanish, unlike
English, nouns are designated as either masculine or feminine.
"House" for instance, is feminine: "la casa."
"Pencil," however, is masculine: "el lapiz."
A student asked, "What gender is 'computer'?"
Instead of giving the answer, the teacher split the class into two
groups, male and female, and asked them to decide for themselves
whether "computer"
should be a masculine or a feminine noun.
Each group was asked to give four reasons for its recommendation.
The men's group decided that "computer" should definitely be of the
feminine gender ("la computadora"), because:
1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic;
2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is
incomprehensible to everyone else;
3. Even the smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory for
possible later retrieval; and
4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending
half your paycheck on accessories for it.
The women's group, however, concluded that computers should be
Masculine ("el computador"), because:
1. In order to do anything with them, you have to turn them on;
2. They have a lot of data but still can't think for themselves;
3. They are supposed to help you solve problems, but half the time they
ARE the problem; and
4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that if you had waited a
little longer, you could have gotten a better model.
cheers
Ron
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Date Apr. 1 2006 20:58:14
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Francisco
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From: SW USA
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RE: Edward Freeman & Paco de Lucía (in reply to PLasencia)
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since I got the impression, that Samwise understood it (maybe) wrongly
Maybe, or maybe I understood wrongly and non-wrongly at the same time! 
Seriously tho, it doesn't matter, it was all in jest...so perhaps we are all a little 'wrongly'. Especially so when we express negativity towards those trying to contribute to this forum. I think in the future, in a perfect world, which will never exist, we should thanks thos supplying us with resources if we think they are helpful, and quietly move along if we think they are not
EDIT:
BTW, Ron...
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They are discussing words like lawyers, to see who wins in the end!
On the surface it looks like a discussion of words, but really more of an attempt to expose people to a different perspective. That is all.
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