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Rings of Power true Tolkien spirit or? ( Anglophone Content Warning)
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Ricardo
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RE: Rings of Power true Tolkien spir... (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana It’s an odd situation, the Tolkien estate and living heirs retained the rights to the Silmarillion, the book which outlines the ages of Middle Earth before the popular LOTR films. But the Amazon series consulted with the Tolkien estate and heirs for R of P, and it’s based on other collections of stories about ME and parts of the Silmarillion. I like it, and I have read the books, but I’ve also heard very hardcore opinions against it. The analogy I would make of these opinions is that Amazon ruined Tolkien intent with the same level of destruction Rosalia brings to dissing flamenco. I’m not so critical of the Amazon production, but framing it for comparison with the much heavier cultural damage to flamenco with Rosalia making a mockery of cante, you get a feeling for the scope of how much some Tolkien aficionados hate it. I’m looking forward to next weeks episode. Do the same haters not accept the trilogy (or trilogies if you count Hobbit) as equally bad? In case you haven’t noticed, it has forever been the case that book readers criticize film versions as inferior in all but extremely rare cases, such as To Kill a Mockingbird, and….well, that is it really. So far I only have the first Ring Trilogy film in mind, and in particular the opening montage, that this new series needs to honor with continuity and some ‘logic”. So far, so good IMO. Elrond the actors don’t look alike, but the blonde elf is very good IMO. And the feral “Gandalf” or whoever he is, is great. Perhaps they have an opportunity to “fix” the ridiculous Ghost Army problem of Part 3. These things have been accomplished….such as the amazing Cobra Kai comedy, or dark comedy rather, that did mind boggling excellent writing to repair not one, but 2 complete crap B movie sequels. All for the sake of a single beloved work (that would be the first Karate kid film), and a longing for the 80’s nostalgia that has been making the rounds on TV these days. Unheard of, they deserve awards just for that. So at this stage I have plenty of hope for the series. The hobbit movie was a huge let down for me…waiting so long for that dragon to appear was ridiculous. They could have chopped the whole trilogy down to a basic 1.5 hour film.
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Date Oct. 13 2022 11:58:03
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Ricardo
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RE: Rings of Power true Tolkien spir... (in reply to estebanana)
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Imagine that when you look at Cate Blanchett next time. I watched some nerd summaries and got a lot of what you wrote figured out. Yes the stranger istar (we find out finally is actually Gandalf with the moth thing) is breaking the supposed timeline, although the true spirit (Orlin or something?) can come and go as it pleases it seems and the ‘Gandalf” version arrives with the other wizards thousands of years later. Although in the way it is is presented, he should “know” that he is a Maiar but perhaps some sort of amnesia is the reason, due to the way he arrives? Artistic liberty but i think it works and it is probably the coolest part of the new story, so I have no problem with it. I also learned that cate blanchett is the one with one of the elf rings and when Sauron lost his finger and ring, the 3 elves were able to use their rings for the original intended purposes. So she is 8k years old but using the ring, apparently, to keep herself and lothorian people all youthful. (Are not the elves immortal anyway? But I guess they age as well? Her age is locked in when she finally uses the ring). Also the humans that used to live like in Numenor etc, used to live much much longer for some reason, and even Aragorn lives to like 120 years or reigns that long, or something. Anyway, the other guy with a ring is Elrond, and he used his to keep Rivendale young and un aging as well, and last is Gandalf who has it but never tells anybody and never uses it for a damn thing. . And all three rings lose their power after Gollum falls into the lava. Oh last I forgot about the Sauron twist. Again they took artistic liberty for his disguise but it works much better than yet another magical being in disguise that some elves reject and others are dooped. In that sense, i think their unique idea works BETTER than the original. That can be debated of course.
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Date Oct. 19 2022 15:01:58
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Paul Magnussen
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RE: Rings of Power true Tolkien spir... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Knowing that the Sauron Eye was invented for the film version of LOTR … No, but it’s scope was enlarged, as of course was that of many other things. For instance, from Chapter 7 of Fellowship: quote:
Down a long flight of steps the Lady went into a deep green hollow, through which ran murmuring the silver stream that issued from the fountain on the hill. At the bottom, upon a low pedestal carved like a branching tree, stood a basin of silver, and beside it stood a silver ewer. With water from the stream Galadriel filled the basin to the brim, and breathed on it, and when the water was still again she spoke. ‘Here is the Mirror of Galadriel,’ she said. ‘I have brought you here so that you may look in it, if you will.’ […] But suddenly the Mirror went altogether dark, as dark as if a hole had opened in the world of sight, and Frodo looked into emptiness. In the black Abyss there appeared a single Eye that slowly grew, until it filled nearly all the Mirror. So terrible was it that Frodo stood rooted, unable to cry out or to withdraw his gaze. The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat’s, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil open on a pit, a window into nothing. Then the Eye began to rove, searching this way and that; and Frodo knew with certainty and horror that among the many things that it sought he himself was one.
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