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trivium91

 

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Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar 

Hey Guys, what are your thoughts on buying concert or studio guitars rather than student guitars if you never intend to play at a venue. Why are the cheaper guitars better for beginners while the expensive concert guitars are for professionals or masters. I mean, it makes sense to not spend a ton when learning the flamenco basics as some of the worst mileage on the guitar would be when just starting due to golpes and what not. When do you even know you are ready to buy a higher end guitar? Other than sound is there any other point to upgrading the guitar, I mean it’s not going to make you a better player.

I suppose for a professional it would make sense to use student guitars for practice and save the concert guitars for the live performances. on the other hand, it’s likely most beneficial to always use the same guitar so you get used to it. Thoughts?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 5:22:19
 
chester

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

quote:

Other than sound is there any other point to upgrading the guitar, I mean it’s not going to make you a better player.

What exactly do you think happens when you play?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 5:35:48
 
gerundino63

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

Hand buil guitars sound and play better. So, buy the best guitar you can afford.

I played for years a student model, I think after 15 years of intensively playing, I tried a Conde A26. Everything was so much easier and sounded so much better.
My literally thoughts where: “ ok, I am f*cked now. I play so much better on this guitar that it will it take me a year to get an improving as I get now instantly. Better start saving for a pro model)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 8:45:57
 
Stu

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

I always thought the reasons to buy a cheaper/student guitar as a beginner was in case you suck and give up. (Not because of the mileage/wear and tear) I understand your reasoning, but a gigging pro could put a lot more miles on than a beginner. So I don't think it's that.

So if money isn't really a consideration then buy big. I guess there's a poetic tragedy in a total beginner owning a top of the range guitar and only knowing one chord.... But oh well.
(Btw I don't mean you on that scenario)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 12:09:42
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to chester

other than a dopamine fix and long term serotonin support, nothing special. Though im wondering what most players do, do they save their high end guitars for performances and use cheaper ones for practice? I guess the more expensive are more pleasurable to play?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 15:17:25
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to gerundino63

So would you say to a 'student' it would be worth buying a better guitar early on? I've been playing for around 8 months, I have a Cordoba F7 Paco. I love it but I can't help but wonder what the $2000 guitars sound and play like.

@Stu this makes sense why beginner models would be cheap as 'students' easily get bored and decide to drop it. I took classical guitar lessons for 5-6 years as a young guy but dropped it in favour of other interests and what not, regretting it now obviously. Only now have I picked up flamenco 15 years later.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 15:18:43
 
Stu

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

Go to a shop and play some and youll see.

No regrets man! If you're only in your early twenties I think you have nothing to regret. You have plenty of time to progess!

But yeah who doesn't wish they started when they were 5.

The big, 'if only' for a foreigner I think is.... I wish I'd grown up in jerez or Sevilla etc...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 15:38:42
 
Ricardo

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

“Student”, “pro”, “concert” and “studio” are all marketing labels used to sell a product. The price points are all over the place. Factories help to produce guitars that can be bought in mass quantities and this lowers the costs. In reality if you wanted to build “student” Yamaha classical guitars at the lowest end ($100) it would be impossible to make profits on anything that approaches their quality level by hand. The cost of materials alone is well over the $100. One would have to try very hard to make errors deliberately to justify losing money on such guitars. Any guitar below $3000 is such a guitar (meant for a mass production market). I remember in the music store they had the cheapest Yamaha, and it sounded fabulous. There was no finish on the bridge and other parts. The $250 upgrade had beautiful finishing details, glossy shiny finish job, a real rosette, etc. It sounded dull and was hard to play. But inexperienced players that had the money always skipped on the cheap $100, ready to waste their money. You can extrapolate the concept upwards toward $4000 where things change a bit. In that range you might be getting a truly personally prepared instrument that is better than the Yamaha lowest end somehow. In Valencia the factories produce some of the most magnificent instruments I have played for so cheap (Ricardo Sanchis/Hermanos Sanchis lopez especially).

I did a blind objective test on myself with my own guitars and was shocked that I could not tell any sonic differences on playback. It means what you pay for is the label look and feel, basically, the inspiration the physical thing gives you to make music. The instrument I use the most today is a thin body cordoba FCWE (gipsy kings model, 1999), and I always thought it was $1200 cheap junk. But it has supported my career for decades now.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2022 17:09:07
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Stu

31 lol, wish I started in my 20s, also wish I started before I started a family lol. Yes Unfortunately there are no flamenco shops around, flamenco guitars in Canada are generally hard to come by in general.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 3:46:34
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Ricardo

Wow that’s crazy. So you would recommend a cordoba than? I’ve been looking at their F10 but I think I really like cedar top flamencos which is why I have the F7 Paco. The treble seems to have a slightly grainy texture l that I find nice. I’m only basing this on various comparison videos between Blanca’s and Negras I’ve watched online over the past year though. I’ve been eying up the Alhambra 5fp and 10fp online, both would be a step up but I’m concerned about arm sweat ruining the guitar. I tend to pickup my guitar multiple times per day even just for a few minutes when I’m obsessed with a new falsetta. I even pick it up sometimes between workout sets in my home gym. The other thing is that it’s hard to justify the price difference between Alhambra 5FP and 10FP.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 3:57:26
 
Stu

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

hahaha oh!! I read that as playing classical at 5-6 years old! oops. sorry

31 and kids though!? in that case theres no hope. You're screwed man!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 8:19:42
 
Stu

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

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but I’m concerned about arm sweat ruining the guitar


eww. just lay a cloth or towel over the lower bout area where your sweaty arm sits
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 8:21:07
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Stu

Lol yeah I guess just my infant daughter, no plans for another at this point. I practice when I put her down for bed basically. I likely didn’t start classical until I was 9 or so. That said I somehow managed to carve out at least an hour a day for practice since I started in December 2021 though and have not missed a day since. I started playing both classical where I left off and learning flamenco but soon realized flamenco takes more time so I dropped classical for the time being as I enjoy flamenco alot more.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 14:09:02
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Stu

My guitar now is polyurethane so sweat wouldn’t bother it, but fair point.
Wish I could just go in and test guitars. Considering a trip to Spain in the next 3-5 years but not sure that will ever happen what with the world going to crap and the biblical end times as some believe.

So the big question regarding guitars is if anyone can reliably tell the difference between solid wood sides and laminated sides. it seems the largest difference between a studio guitar and a concert guitar is the latter is made exclusively from solid wood. I would almost prefer laminated sides for structural integrity, it would also be less sensitive to humidity and what not.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 14:14:32
 
Morante

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

Listen to Ricardo. He knows and you don't. Stop talking and act.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 15:31:16
 
Ricardo

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

quote:

ORIGINAL: trivium91

Wow that’s crazy. So you would recommend a cordoba than? I’ve been looking at their F10 but I think I really like cedar top flamencos which is why I have the F7 Paco. The treble seems to have a slightly grainy texture l that I find nice. I’m only basing this on various comparison videos between Blanca’s and Negras I’ve watched online over the past year though. I’ve been eying up the Alhambra 5fp and 10fp online, both would be a step up but I’m concerned about arm sweat ruining the guitar. I tend to pickup my guitar multiple times per day even just for a few minutes when I’m obsessed with a new falsetta. I even pick it up sometimes between workout sets in my home gym. The other thing is that it’s hard to justify the price difference between Alhambra 5FP and 10FP.


Not really. I said anything below 3k is marketing, there are no “step ups”. Or downs really. When you get to 4k then you can start noticing tiny details that justify price differences. Mostly the label and resale value comes into play. Nothing below that range is a decent resale for a used instrument (unless you use similar unfair marketing yourself to unload it). The Sanchis group of guitars are decent, but not sure how much they are now. The best thing I recommend is old vintage guitars that had repaired cracks and tons of playing wear. They sound great, having been beaten in, and are reduced in price and retain resale value thanks to the label. Usually set up well by the original player. (Old beat up conde, Ramirez, etc).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 15:35:36
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: trivium91

Wow that’s crazy. So you would recommend a cordoba than? I’ve been looking at their F10 but I think I really like cedar top flamencos which is why I have the F7 Paco. The treble seems to have a slightly grainy texture l that I find nice. I’m only basing this on various comparison videos between Blanca’s and Negras I’ve watched online over the past year though. I’ve been eying up the Alhambra 5fp and 10fp online, both would be a step up but I’m concerned about arm sweat ruining the guitar. I tend to pickup my guitar multiple times per day even just for a few minutes when I’m obsessed with a new falsetta. I even pick it up sometimes between workout sets in my home gym. The other thing is that it’s hard to justify the price difference between Alhambra 5FP and 10FP.


Not really. I said anything below 3k is marketing, there are no “step ups”. Or downs really. When you get to 4k then you can start noticing tiny details that justify price differences. Mostly the label and resale value comes into play. Nothing below that range is a decent resale for a used instrument (unless you use similar unfair marketing yourself to unload it). The Sanchis group of guitars are decent, but not sure how much they are now. The best thing I recommend is old vintage guitars that had repaired cracks and tons of playing wear. They sound great, having been beaten in, and are reduced in price and retain resale value thanks to the label. Usually set up well by the original player. (Old beat up conde, Ramirez, etc).


right so you are basically saying what I have is fine, so unless im willing to spend more than 3k (which im not) don't waste my time? Do solid vs laminated sides make a difference?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 16:19:42
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

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I’m only basing this on various comparison videos between Blanca’s and Negras I’ve watched online over the past year though.


personally I wouldn't base anything on videos, unless maybe if it was a comparison video of the same guitarist playing the same music on different guitars with the same recording set-up and settings on the same day... also they would have to have the exact same strings on, so any audible differences were down the just the guitars involved.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2022 19:51:24
 
Stu

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Morante

quote:

Stop talking and act.


Imagine if everyone on this foro followed this wonderful advice.

Would sure be a lot of tumbleweed.

Isnt a forum a place for talking?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 11:13:35
 
Mark2

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

I've got a yamaha-it never comes out of the case. My best guitar allows me to play some passages that I literally can't execute on the cheaper guitars.

If you are committed buy the best you can afford. I agree with Ricardo-a beat up name guitar is the way if you can't spring enough for a newish one.

quote:

ORIGINAL: trivium91

other than a dopamine fix and long term serotonin support, nothing special. Though im wondering what most players do, do they save their high end guitars for performances and use cheaper ones for practice? I guess the more expensive are more pleasurable to play?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 16:35:55
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Mark2

Interesting why do think that is the case? Is it phycological or is there something special the more expensive guitars have?. I can't stop looking at the Alhambra 7FC or 8FC but also the 10FP. Though the more and more I look the more Im excited to get a blanca so that narrows it down to 7FP or 8FP. It seems that a luthier guitar is not something I would want to spend money on right now, a higher end factory guitar will have do at this point in my life. The 8FP looks like a step up but only because its completely made by hand in a special area in the Alhambra factory by selected luthiers, where all the others are made in sort of an assembly line. They also choose better woods and what not, though not sure if its worth the premium. Can be had for under $2000 so I think that is reasonable. I understand what Ricardo is saying but I guess I still want a blanca at some point in the near future, so another guitar never the less. In the meantime I can always check out some used guitars as Ricardo recommended.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 18:14:29
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Stu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu

quote:

Stop talking and act.


Imagine if everyone on this foro followed this wonderful advice.

Would sure be a lot of tumbleweed.

Isnt a forum a place for talking?


All good, I wasn't offended. I just chalked it up to an old school mentality he has.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 18:16:32
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Mark2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark2

My best guitar allows me to play some passages that I literally can't execute on the cheaper guitars.



It must have been 1965 or '66...

My first guitar was a Paracho special I bought for 300 pesos in 1957--$24.00 at the exchange rate then. Its scale was long, it was pretty loud, its tone was a bit coarse. After a few year of work I could play on it the Mario Escudero transcriptions published at the time. They were fairly accurate. Also a couple of Niño Ricardo pieces copped off LPs, and a few other bits. Sabicas was beyond my ability to copy.

There was (may still be) a big music store on the ground floor of the old Convento de las Vizcaínas in Mexico City. In those days the main street was called the Calle del Niño Perdido. These days it's the Eje Central Lázaro Cárdenas. The convent is a couple of blocks from the Mercado de San Juan and the Salto del Agua. They had a used string instrument department that often had some interesting pieces.



In those days in Mexico City, if you could afford to dress decently you did. I wandered into the music store dressed in a sport jacket, slacks, recently shined shoes. I noticed a nice looking guitar hanging on the wall behind the counter and asked if I could try it. The attendant was a blonde, blue eyed woman, maybe 50 years old. She wore a nice cardigan over a blouse, a pleated woolen skirt and sensible shoes. She handed me the guitar.

It was a Santos Hernandez blanca from the 1930s, in perfect condition. At the time it was the best guitar I ever had in my hands, by a very wide margin.

There was a row of chairs along the wall opposite the counter. I took a seat, took out my tuning fork in its tooled leather case, and tuned up the Santos.

I played Escudero's Rondeña, pretty close to the original of his teacher Ramon Montoya. While I played two urchins came in off the street, sat down beside me and gazed admiringly. The guitar was marvelous. It played easily. It delivered nuances of tone and dynamics I had never experienced on my Paracho beast. It was simply exhilarating.

When I finished I returned the guitar to the woman behind the counter. I noticed she had tears in her eyes. She said, "Gracias, jovén. Soy de Ronda....hace muchos años."

She offered to make me a good price for the guitar, but I couldn't come anywhere near affording it.

I turned to pick up my tuning fork, but it and the two urchins had disappeared. I walked immediately to the door and looked for them on the sidewalk, but they were long gone.

Despite the loss, and the embarassment of being swindled, I was still on a high from the sensation of the guitar, and the compliment.

A great instrument can make a very big difference.

RNJ

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 18:34:58
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark2

My best guitar allows me to play some passages that I literally can't execute on the cheaper guitars.



It must have been 1965 or '66...

My first guitar was a Paracho special I bought for 300 pesos in 1957--$24.00 at the exchange rate then. Its scale was long, it was pretty loud, its tone was a bit coarse. After a few year of work I could play on it the Mario Escudero transcriptions published at the time. They were fairly accurate. Also a couple of Niño Ricardo pieces copped off LPs, and a few other bits. Sabicas was beyond my ability to copy.

There was (may still be) a big music store on the ground floor of the old Convento de las Vizcaínas in Mexico City. In those days the main street was called the Calle del Niño Perdido. These days it's the Eje Central Lázaro Cárdenas. The convent is a couple of blocks from the Mercado de San Juan and the Salto del Agua. They had a used string instrument department that often had some interesting pieces.



In those days in Mexico City, if you could afford to dress decently you did. I wandered into the music store dressed in a sport jacket, slacks, recently shined shoes. I noticed a nice looking guitar hanging on the wall behind the counter and asked if I could try it. The attendant was a blonde, blue eyed woman, maybe 50 years old. She wore a nice cardigan over a blouse, a pleated woolen skirt and sensible shoes. She handed me the guitar.

It was a Santos Hernandez blanca from the 1930s, in perfect condition. At the time it was the best guitar I ever had in my hands, by a very wide margin.

There was a row of chairs along the wall opposite the counter. I took a seat, took out my tuning fork in its tooled leather case, and tuned up the Santos.

I played Escudero's Rondeña, pretty close to the original of his teacher Ramon Montoya. While I played two urchins came in off the street, sat down beside me and gazed admiringly. The guitar was marvelous. It played easily. It delivered nuances of tone and dynamics I had never experienced on my Paracho beast. It was simply exhilarating.

When I finished I returned the guitar to the woman behind the counter. I noticed she had tears in her eyes. She said, "Gracias, jovén. Soy de Ronda....hace muchos años."

She offered to make me a good price for the guitar, but I couldn't come anywhere near affording it.

I turned to pick up my tuning fork, but it and the two urchins had disappeared. I walked immediately to the door and looked for them on the sidewalk, but they were long gone.

Despite the loss, and the embarassment of being swindled, I was still on a high from the sensation of the guitar, and the compliment.

A great instrument can make a very big difference.

RNJ



This is an awesome story! so perhaps the instrument is more of an emotional response and how it subjectively 'feels' that can make you a better player which is impossible to measure objectively through sound quality and what not. After all it is our emotions that give us the motivation to practice the same falsetto over and over again and again our emotions that propel us a player.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 19:35:14
 
JasonM

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

Just stick with your cordoba F7 until you get some more experience. I sort of fell for this starting out. More money does not = better necessarily. Just because Cordoba says hand made local artisans and better woods doesn’t mean a lot. Could be some ****ty artisans and I’d rather a machine to do it! Maybe it is good maybe it is not, have to play it and have some experience to know what is good and not so good.

Laminated sides. In general, not great for a flamenco. But, again, depends on the actual guitar in hand! I’ve noticed some steel string guitars use marketing to say all solid wood, when in reality you better off buying laminated under a certain dollar amount.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 21:21:04
 
Mark2

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

I really don't know. The same strings on different guitars feel different. Pulsation maybe. I have a student Conde that is great for playing for dance. It plays completely different than my Devoe, which feels stiffer, but capable of much better tone.

The rasquedos are looser on the Conde. But I learned some Antonio Rey falsetas from his solea and one in particular I just can't play on the Conde. The level of accuracy in the fret hand fingering required I just can't do with the Conde but I can with the Devoe. The Devoe has a lot less wear on it, and was seven times more expensive.



quote:

ORIGINAL: trivium91

Interesting why do think that is the case? Is it phycological or is there something special the more expensive guitars have?. I can't stop looking at the Alhambra 7FC or 8FC but also the 10FP. Though the more and more I look the more Im excited to get a blanca so that narrows it down to 7FP or 8FP. It seems that a luthier guitar is not something I would want to spend money on right now, a higher end factory guitar will have do at this point in my life. The 8FP looks like a step up but only because its completely made by hand in a special area in the Alhambra factory by selected luthiers, where all the others are made in sort of an assembly line. They also choose better woods and what not, though not sure if its worth the premium. Can be had for under $2000 so I think that is reasonable. I understand what Ricardo is saying but I guess I still want a blanca at some point in the near future, so another guitar never the less. In the meantime I can always check out some used guitars as Ricardo recommended.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2022 23:01:25
 
trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to JasonM

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

Just stick with your cordoba F7 until you get some more experience. I sort of fell for this starting out. More money does not = better necessarily. Just because Cordoba says hand made local artisans and better woods doesn’t mean a lot. Could be some ****ty artisans and I’d rather a machine to do it! Maybe it is good maybe it is not, have to play it and have some experience to know what is good and not so good.

Laminated sides. In general, not great for a flamenco. But, again, depends on the actual guitar in hand! I’ve noticed some steel string guitars use marketing to say all solid wood, when in reality you better off buying laminated under a certain dollar amount.


Yes solid wood sides are the biggest motivation to get another guitar, the Alhambra 8fp has solid all around. What sort of sound differences can one expect from solid vs laminated sides?

Stupid side question, does anyone know what guitar vicente amigo used for ciudad de las ideas? Or even what tonewoods it had?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 18 2022 4:09:45
 
Ricardo

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

Vicente used Manuel Reyes (1988) from Córdoba. He sat on one on the coach and destroyed it, but owns two others. Not sure, from videos, which is which used on what recording, but those are his main guitars. Spruce and Cypress.

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ernandez R

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to trivium91

About 30 years ago I was telling a guitar playing buddy how I had studied classical guitar for a few years as a young man and he invited me on a guitar shop tour in Seattle, I think we visited a hand full of shops, seemed the better guitars were about $2000 up to $4000 USD but there was this $500 dollar made in Mexico one that just blew all those others out of the water. Solid top but the inside looked like a kindergarten art project, I recall rough braces and white glue globs. We went back to a couple shops the following week ends to try a couple I liked again and again. I recall telling my buddy Little Bear, he was a dead head, that the cheap one from Mexico was it. He laid it out for me, how guitars are so much more then looks and how one guitar isn’t for everyone. Years later I figured out out a decent player can make a **** plywood guitar sound beautiful. Sadly this guitar burned up I a fire and after years of trying to find her equal I decided to build one…


HR

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
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trivium91

 

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RE: Concert Guitar vs Student Guitar (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Vicente used Manuel Reyes (1988) from Córdoba. He sat on one on the coach and destroyed it, but owns two others. Not sure, from videos, which is which used on what recording, but those are his main guitars. Spruce and Cypress.

Awesome thanks, I seem to really like the tone of his guitars
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