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TrickyFish

 

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Basic compas in notation / tab? 

I'm new to flamenco.

I recently started with Juan Martin's book, which was good, but I've since moved across to Kai Narezo's "Flamenco Explained" book. I prefer Kai's book because he explains how the compas, falsettas and other components work together.

I particularly like that he shows the basic compas and a few variations in notation / tab. I've found lots of sources of falsettas online, but his book is the only source that I've found of basic compas. Unfortunately, his book only covers 5 palos.

Is there an online source that shows the basic compas (and some variations) in notation (and / or tab) of a large range of different Palos?
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Ricardo

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

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ORIGINAL: TrickyFish

I'm new to flamenco.

I recently started with Juan Martin's book, which was good, but I've since moved across to Kai Narezo's "Flamenco Explained" book. I prefer Kai's book because he explains how the compas, falsettas and other components work together.

I particularly like that he shows the basic compas and a few variations in notation / tab. I've found lots of sources of falsettas online, but his book is the only source that I've found of basic compas. Unfortunately, his book only covers 5 palos.

Is there an online source that shows the basic compas (and some variations) in notation (and / or tab) of a large range of different Palos?



Interesting, I am not sure of such a thing out there. Let’s start with which Palos does Kai show, and what is not included that you would need? I ask because we have Solea, buleria, tango, Fandango (abandolao), and siguiriyas, and with those as basic maps, most others fit one of those 5 patterns.

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TrickyFish

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

Thanks Ricardo. Kai’s book shows (in order):

Soleares
Tangos
Sevillianas
Alegrias
Bulerias

I was specifically looking for seguiriyas. I am also keen to see both the harmony as well as the rhythm.

I’ll try to upload an image later re how he lays out the compas in notation / tab. Its very well done.
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TrickyFish

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

Below is how the Soleares is shown in Kais book. This is very intuitive to me and i found this explanation very well done.

Please let me know if it is inappropriate for me to share this on the forum. Perhaps the other palos are only available via Kai’s lessons?



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devilhand

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

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Please let me know if it is inappropriate for me to share this on the forum.

I don't think it's a problem. The first example in your picture is shown here at 1:53-2:05 anyway.



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devilhand

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

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Is there an online source that shows the basic compas (and some variations) in notation (and / or tab) of a large range of different Palos?

Who needs it in notation or tab when we have a video demonstrating it? Basic rhythmic structure of Fandangos starts at 2:20.
At 1:50 slightly off-topic. The relative major of por arriba is C major?



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Schieper

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

The Falsetas collection from farzad Amirani begin each rythm, with some variations to the compas and then some falseta's. Realy nice but more mid level.

The Duence Flamenco series (claude worms) also start with compas. Although very limited and in French.
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trivium91

 

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RE: Basic compas in notation / tab? (in reply to TrickyFish

Im learning aswell, but I can highly recommend the laga online program, its great for the busy individual that doesn't have time to do a bunch of unnecessary research. They publish the material anyways and while that is not the traditional way flamenco is taught, it was the only way everything made sense to me. I learned that all the beats add up to 12, typically ending on a remate on beats 10,11,12 . Golpes on the accents are not always added, especially for fast runs, but can be typically added on beats 3,6,8,10,12. They do talk a bit about tension and dissonance building than resolving on beat 7 and finishing on the remate on beat 10,11 & 12, but i never really found it more complicated than that and why solea sounds the way it does.

Obviously this only covers Solea, i haven't moved to other styles yet. They only teach bite size "lessons" to slowly build up skill and comprehension. The owner of the school is highly educated, he understands how the brain works in association to the music, that time is required to build new nueral pathways to master techniques, comprehension of compas and rythym.

Most of all, the program is ton of fun and gives you a pretty good sense of accomplishment. Ill probably move to more advanced skype lessons after i complete the program in 24 months or so. Im just not sure if i will go through laga as their skype lessons are really pricey...with the second kid on the horizon and all. I could see their online flamenco modules being really challenging if you are all together new to guitar as an instrument though (which im not), its likely best to start on their classical modules for the first 3-6 months or so i would say.

I could be completely wrong so anyone feel free to call me out on this...but i feel like those that learnt flamenco did so by watching, listening, playing and learning, practicing, rinse and repeat rather than studying and getting hung up on on all the details. The details will work their way out throughout the journey of flamenco with a good teaching method or teacher, but not all at once. Its alot easier to learn some stuff than apply them the more advanced you get.

I've also heard good things about the Kai's flamenco explained, but i just didnt have the time to do a bunch of work up front, it was a little overwhelming to be honest. I definitely prefer the bite size chunk method. Its worth the money, and based on the instructors education levels, i have peace of mind im building a solid foundation.
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