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JBASHORUN
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 RE: "Flamenco" by Carlos Saura (in reply to Guest)
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The film is great. Don't let Paquera De Jerez at the start scare you off.
There's an excellent scene with Manolo Sanlucar, which I really like. Manolo even joins in the singing at one point. And there is some old guy doing some of the cante for that song... he's wearing a funny hat, and has hand gestures and mannerisms a bit like a rapper. I think the guy is some sort of "Flamenco-pimp"! I often skip to this track and repeat because I like it so much. I find it hard to believe what Zata (Estela) says about Manolo being an unpleasant person.
Then there's Joaqin Cortez... the guy makes a point of taking off his shirt to dance, and is wearing shiny trousers. A bit of a ladies' man me thinks. Its quite amusing. But the scene really highlights the link between the music and the dancing. His style is a cross between the Irish Riverdance, Tapdancing and perhaps even a bit of Ballet. But the synchronicity between the music and the dance movements really comes across in that one.
Theres one scene, I think its scene number 6, with just 2 guys doing cante. I have to admit that I didn't particularly like the scene, as I felt it was too raw. but you have to admire the passion with which the guys perform. The dude on the right looks like he's about to cry at the end of the scene- seriously- its literally that intense!
Other scenes include a sort of family setup, where various people are seated around a large table and take turns to sing. And more dance scenes reminiscent of ballet.
The whole film features warm orange and yellow backdrops, and seems quite professionally made. I would recommend the film for anyone who likes Flamenco music or dance. But especially the dance, as its impossible to "see" the dancing when you're playing a CD. Its also a good intro to cante, as you get a good selection from a variety of singers.
Jb
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Date Mar. 23 2006 11:43:29
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henrym3483
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From: Limerick,Ireland
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RE: "Flamenco" by Carlos Saura (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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im kinda lucky in one respect being at uni, these books all came from my university catalogue, we have alot of dvds as well on flamenco baile,stuff by cortes,belen maya and one by los farrucos but none on the guitar 
Leblon, Bernard. - Gypsies and flamenco : the emergence of the art of flamenco in Andalusia
Pohren, D. E., Donn E.. - A way of life
Mitchell, Timothy (Timothy J.). - Flamenco deep song
Flamenco : gypsy dance and music from Andalusia / edited by Claus Schreiner
Quintana, Bertha Beatrice. - 'Qué gitano' : gypsies of Southern Spain
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Date Mar. 23 2006 14:59:34
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Kate
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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: "Flamenco" by Carlos Saura (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian
Unfortunately that part of the gipsyes life (the knifeings, its not fiction) and it always leaves me with a ugly taste in my mouth. I know it exists, i just dont wanna know about it, i like that music and thats it.
Every community or race of people has a criminal element. I think it is important to remember that not all Gypsies fit this stereotype. ( Though if you go by Tony Gatliff 's films you could be forgiven for thinking so) I have been living and working among Gypsies for many years now, and I personally know no-one who has ever been involved in knife fight. I know Gypsies who are artists, writers, doctors, social workers, builders and bar owners, property developers, estate agents, grocers and farmers, shopkeepers, teachers...... etc etc
Over the last few months there have been a few street brawls resulting in stabbings, but not one of them involved Gypsies. The majority of muggings and knife attacks in Granada are committed by Moroccans and Rumanians, but I would never assume that all Moroccans and Rumanians live like this.
Kate
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Date Mar. 24 2006 15:33:10
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: "Flamenco" by Carlos Saura (in reply to Kate)
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Though if you go by Tony Gatliff 's films you could be forgiven for thinking so
If memory serves me correctly almost every flamenco movie i can think off a knife makes its apparence at some point, but that must just be the directors immagination.
Serriously I understand what u are saying Kate and i dont wanna stereotype, i realize its just a small part of it, nevertheless i am just speaking of incidents i have heard about from people first hand involved or the ones i have been involved in.
I have deleated the details of my story because i just realised that this is in the public part of the forum and i dont wanna share it with the hole world.
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The majority of muggings and knife attacks in Granada are committed by Moroccans and Rumanians
Damn do the Morrocans and Roumanians still identifie themselfs as Moroccans and Romanians as the mug people ? what do they do? "Give me your money!!, sorry about my Spanish, I am Romanian still learning the language"  Or us Romanians must have really specific facial features that gypsies or Spanish or anyother race in the world dont have if one could distinguish us as we are mugging him. 
Note to self.. Do not wistle the Romanian national anthem anymore when mugging the Spanish in Granada, the are very smart people and they will identiffye our country of origin very very quic.
Must be the damn national pride that compels us to yell out at the end of every mugging :
"- U have been mugged by a Romanian !!! OLE NADIA COMANICI OLE DRACULA !! Good BYE !!
I am kidding around but if thats what goes on then thats what goes on theres no point pussyfooting around the subject and pretending it dosent happen. But u guys are smart people u guessed their nationality straight off, if u think hard enough i bet u can guess the city of birth and their surnames too, il give u a hint, theres a good chance the surname ends with SCU...
the only think that pissed me off is that theres all this romanians pulling out knifes in granada, yet we never ever get any recongnition in to Saura's flamenco movies, its always the gypsies that get all the credit.
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Date Mar. 24 2006 17:23:49
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That might explain the interpretation somewhat. 
