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Tikahtnu

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Small body torres for flamenco guitar? 

Ahoy mateys, can anyone give me the rundown on Torres’ smaller body guitars? I found these plans for the ‘requinto’, is this the same or similar (in build and size) to the FE-17 copy that Michael Thames made? I’m traveling to Spain next spring to build a flamenco guitar and I’m very tempted to choose a small-body Torres as the design plans. I started playing on ukuleles so a small body Torres doesn’t really seem that small to me, more convenient than anything. I haven’t played one yet though. Can anyone provide insight on these guitars and their suitability as flamenco guitars rather than classical? I see that most of these small body guitars have a tornavoz to help with the bass. Would that be a sort of requirement for these small body Torres guitars?

Also, does anyone have any leads to any top quality cases that would fit one of these guitars, or could you link me to a top notch company that makes custom cases? Something of quality between hiscox and visesnut would be great. The guitar will eventually be sailing long term on a sailboat. Though there will be a climate controlled area for the guitar, the likelihood of things getting a bit rolly-bouncy are high enough that I don’t want to skimp on case quality by any means.

Torres requinto plans: https://www.masterguitarplans.com/torres-requinto
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2021 18:30:57
 
RobF

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

I think you should be posing these questions to the person in Spain who will be teaching you. Is his course really that open-ended that you can show up with your own idea for plantilla, own selection of woods, etc....and he’s supposed to somehow transform this into a workable solution?

I’ve mentioned this on here a couple of times in the past, but if you want to build a traditional flamenco guitar then the quickest and easiest path to success is to build a traditional flamenco guitar. The teacher should be able to advise on plantilla, scale length, and material choices. I would expect he may cover a lot of that territory during the first day of the course, which kind of makes all this preselection stuff superfluous. But a traditional flamenco guitar will follow a known successful plan and use traditional materials. Other plans, plantillas, and materials may work, but why do this to yourself on the first instrument? Honestly, it doesn’t make sense to me.

As an aside, I tried to help someone out about a month ago on here and essentially got a Big Lubowski “well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man...” as a response. So, I’m going to say right now, what I’m suggesting isn’t an opinion, it’s informed advice given with the benefit of experience. It’s up to you whether you take it or not, but at the very least I think you should contact the instructor and run your ideas past him. If he says anything is fine we can do whatever you want, we can make anything work, then I personally would have misgivings about the course.

I guess it boils down to what your goals are. If you want to take the long road, that’s your choice, but if you build something that in no way, shape, or form resembles a traditional flamenco guitar, then it follows that it may not sound or behave like a traditional flamenco guitar. It’s really that simple.

Also, I’m not trying to get on your case or anything like that. I recently posted about a Sitka topped guitar I made a few years ago and my observations on how its voice developed over time. One of the reasons I composed that post was to subtly and gently steer you, as you have been talking about using Sitka spruce and Alaskan Yellow Cedar for the guitar. I truly believe your best chance at success is through traditional and proven methods using traditional materials. Save the Sitka and AYC for a later project when you have more knowledge, it’s important to get the first one right and you’ll be busy enough just keeping up with the multitude of steps required to just make the darned thing, let alone worrying about how to make something that’s an outlier work. Trust me.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2021 19:30:18
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Let me address your points.

I think you should be posing these questions to the person in Spain who will be teaching you.
I had just received my reply from him this morning, right before I came here for what I would consider to be a diverse knowledge-base of what a very complicated field that I’m obviously naive in. Being on opposite sides of the planet, communication usually takes an extra day or so. I could only talk to him, you are correct. But why would I do that?

Is his course really that open-ended that you can show up with your own idea for plantilla, own selection of woods, etc....and he’s supposed to somehow transform this into a workable solution?
100% of the wood is being provided by him. His response to my questions was that any of the Torres models will be acceptable.

The teacher should be able to advise on plantilla, scale length, and material choices. I would expect he may cover a lot of that territory during the first day of the course, which kind of makes all this preselection stuff superfluous.
I have no doubt he will, in about 8 or so months. It’s a big commitment traveling to Spain for a month to build a guitar so I’m definitely not wasting any time trying to figure out what I would like to have come out of it. I only recently started thinking about the smaller body Torres after seeing a beautiful FE-17 that Thames built. I asked the guy i take flamenco lessons with if he’s played on any and he said he really liked them. And again I figure this forum has a diverse knowledge base to be able to help me try to pinpoint my understanding of this very complicated field in general.

I guess it boils down to what your goals are. If you want to take the long road, that’s your choice, but if you build something that in no way, shape, or form resembles a traditional flamenco guitar, then it follows that it may not sound or behave like a traditional flamenco guitar. It’s really that simple.
Forgive me for my naivety but as far as I understand, there was no distinction between a classical and a flamenco guitar when Torres revolutionized the guitar design? Or at least not in the way we see classical and flamenco guitars today? To me, if a small body Torres is suitable for flamenco, then it’s absolutely a traditional flamenco guitar, at least in regards to my definitions of the words. As long as it isn’t completely unsuitable for flamenco, which I think is my question posed in this thread. I’m taking two guitar builds next year, a 6 day classical guitar build with Robbie O’Brien in Colorado and then a couple months afterwards I will be in Spain for approximately a month with this guitar. This will be an electricity free course, all hand tools, traditional methods, no synthetic materials. My goal from this course in Spain is to refine what I learn in Colorado, and to see how viable it would be to make guitars on my 17 ton blue water sailboat that I’m restoring, and will be my primary residence until I die someday. I’m not sure if I will come back from Spain confident that I could do that, but I hope to be sure to come back with something I can cherish until I’m dead. I’ve had probably 70 or so different instruments, few of high quality but I’ve had ukuleles (every kind), charangos, balalaika, Puerto Rican quattro, irish bouzouki, 14 string Filipino harp bandurria, banjos, that’s just the strings I could keep going on my but point is that a small body Torres really doesn’t seem non traditional to me, and if we have a differing in opinion that’s fine as long as you know that my god is stronger than your god

One of the reasons I composed that post was to subtly and gently steer you, as you have been talking about using Sitka spruce and Alaskan Yellow Cedar for the guitar. I truly believe your best chance at success is through traditional and proven methods using traditional materials. Save the Sitka and AYC for a later project when you have more knowledge, it’s important to get the first one right and you’ll be busy enough just keeping up with the multitude of steps required to just make the darned thing, let alone worrying about how to make something that’s an outlier work.
From my understanding the quality and quantity ratio of current stocks of Sitka and AYC is favorable to traditional European spruces and Mediterranean cypress. The woods that were offered for the soundboard were Sitka, wrc and redwood. Redwood is a mixed bag from what I’ve read, but some people think it’s very exceptional and carries the positive characteristics of both cedar and spruce. For the backs, it was Spanish cypress or Alaska yellow cedar. The neck will be Spanish cedar. When I get my boat done, I hope to live in southeast Alaska where I was born, where Sitka and AYC is happiest. So it makes sense to me to have a guitar built out of similar woods wih someone who knows how to use those woods to produce a traditional Spanish guitar, this makes much more sense to me. But I’m stupid still

I’m very open minded, plans always change, I’m just trying to figure things out and pinpoint my ideas. I’m definitely not doing any of this with the explicit goal of building guitars as a means of getting by, but if I could build awesome guitars to give to friends then I’d be happy
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2021 20:59:43
 
RobF

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

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Forgive me for my naivety but as far as I understand, there was no distinction between a classical and a flamenco guitar when Torres revolutionized the guitar design? ...I could keep going on my but point is that a small body Torres really doesn’t seem non traditional to me, and if we have a differing in opinion that’s fine as long as you know that my god is stronger than your god

You know, it’s just not worth it...I could spend a pile of time addressing your response, but why should I bother? Go pray to your god and I’ll stay out of your way. Hopefully you’ll post your progress, or not, your choice. Either way it won’t matter to me because I’m done with caring about the (mis)adventures of new builders who are too naive and obstinate to recognize real-deal good advice when it’s staring them in the face.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2021 21:44:04
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

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I’m very open minded, plans always change, I’m just trying to figure things out and pinpoint my ideas. I’m definitely not doing any of this with the explicit goal of building guitars as a means of getting by, but if I could build awesome guitars to give to friends then I’d be happy


It seems that you are following a wonderful pursuit. I know Robbie and he is a good teacher, although I don't think he builds flamenco guitars.

But I like the idea of a smaller Torres model for flamenco.

I would go with the ideal that once you start building you will get hooked and continue from that point. Like potato chips "You can't just eat one"

My 58 years building tells me that this model would work just fine, but take into consideration that the Torres model might not stand up to the more modern styles, although certainly a worthy build.

Go in good health.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2021 23:05:44
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Thanks Tom. The build with Robbie will be a classical guitar, using a kit from LMI. It seemed like the most bang for your buck+time that I could find. I hope it will give me a solid foundation to be able to explore from. The maestro in Spain is Paco Chorobo, who has also done the group flamenco builds at Robbie’s workshop but I’m not sure how that works now with COVID. This one that we’re doing in Spain is a one on one.

Tom do you know if there is much variation between Torres small body guitar designs? I’ve tried to look up specific information about them but I get routed to the plans from Courtnall’s book, which I posted already. But Michael Thames built what he called an FE-17 and I haven’t run across any concrete information differentiating between any of them (or if they are just close variations of each other?) a more specific question: are the Torres requinto, parlor, and FE-17 all the relatively same design or are there significant variations? If they’re the same I can stop my hunt snd just go with the plans in Courtnall’s book but if there are variations I would obviously like to explore them all.

I understand many of these may be very stupid questions, but they’re the only questions I know. I wish I could get a copy of Romanillos’ book about Torres but it’s literally $1000 on Amazon.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 0:17:12
 
Echi

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

I agree with many things Rob told you.
You see: it’s not that easy to get a good flamenco guitar.
The fact that a Torres can be played as a flamenco guitar - because at the time there was not yet a clear distinction between classical-flamenco guitar - doesn’t make it an ideal guitar for the purpose. Not at all.
In 150 years many steps have been done with regards with flamenco guitar making.
If you want to stick with Torres FE 17 (but I don’t see why) the plan would need of some modifications to play like a flamenco guitar and therefore the advice of your teacher.
My take is that you could go for a Santos guitar maybe a model with small plantilla, and if you think, you can add the visual elements of a Torres.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 0:37:37
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Okay thank you Echi, I understand your viewpoint. I’ll continue communicating with mi maestro and see how worth while it will be to pursue the small body Torres. But before I pay for the plans on the ‘requinto’ model to explore further, would you be able to confirm if that is the same/very similar design to the FE-17 that Thames built? I have decent Googling skills but I just can’t seem to find the right answer to that specific question. Anyway, I suppose I’ll get the requinto plans now and send them to Paco with the advice I’ve received and work out he best way to move forward. Thank you

I’m not trying to make the best possible guitar that pleases as many ears as possible, I’ll just be happy making my favorite guitar. I travel quite a bit, and I think there are many perks to the smaller size of this guitar that I’m putting extra value on. I’m not sure if I’ll ever build another guitar again after this one, maybe it’s just a romantic idea that will soon burn out. I have two full sized guitars on my boat currently, but once I get to cruising and especially if I’m foolish enough to try to build a guitar workshop on a boat, space will be much more of a premium. So my foolish idea does have practical reasons. I think our initial perspectives are starting from different points, and I think we misunderstand each other easily.

There’s a lot I’m trying to put into words but I think I’m starting to just sound like a broken record. Starting to get late and need to get to diving. Thanks for the advice
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 1:01:31
 
estebanana

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Building a design that is not part of the teachers planned curriculum is a bad idea. You sound like a total pain in the ass as a student. Just learn to sharpen tools and don’t make the teachers life miserable by standing out.

My advice to you is buy Romanillos’ book on Torres and study it cover to cover. Then buy a series of Japanese water stones, 300 grit diamond / 600 diamond. Then water stones at 800, 1200, 3000 and 6000. Then get some books on sharpening hand tools and spend the time until your trip becoming an expert sharpener.

The difference between the various sizes of Torres guitar will be revealed to you through work and experience comparing guitars of different sizes side by side. Making FE-17 as your first flamenco guitar is a totally stupid idea which you should disabuse yourself of. You should learn to sharpen tools and take that skill to the teacher who will find you easier to deal with.

Jesus H Christ get your **** together

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 1:53:17
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Well, it’s a custom build based on what I want, since we have 8 or 9 months to figure everything out we’ve been corresponding on every aspect of the guitar. This is my first flamenco guitar, but it most definitely isn’t his. He brands himself as a bespoke guitar maker and said it was a cool idea, but to be honest this was just an idea I started having a few days ago, and the replies haven’t even been specific to what I’ve asked in general. I’m just scooping up information for processing. Why do you think it’s such a particularly foolish build for me to do? And I agree with you about the sharpening, I am learning because I’m doing work on my sailboat deck currently. Definitely need more practice, I’m working on it. I really didn’t start this thread firmly attached to this idea, could you explain why this one would be particularly foolish to build?

Oh and like I’d said, Jose Romanillos’ book is currently just under $1000 on Amazon. I’ve read the Torres section of making master guitars by Roy Courtnall which the requinto plans are from. I got a good deal on a used copy compared to new, but I think the lowest I’ve seen for that book right now was 750.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 3:45:30
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Sorry if I farted in your clubhouse guys
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 4:04:38
 
estebanana

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

I guess it’s time to make a bootleg PDF copy

Fart away!

The reason FE-17 is a bad idea is straightforward. Making a short scale flamenco will be a liability to learning how it’s supposed to feel. Short scales don’t work well for flamenco guitars. Not saying it cannot be done, but it’s a bad idea for number 1. Just make whatever teacher us willing to teach as his most successful guitar. Get him or her to teach you what they already know cold. Don’t make them scramble to teach you something that’s esoteric on day one. FE-17 is esoteric even in Torres’ body of work. If you do Torres copy a late guitar that’s big. But better yet, make a Santos or something derived from his work by a later maker.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 5:15:57
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

I could just as easily pay the guy to make me the guitar, he builds and teaches. So I really don’t think he has any issue with helping me build the requinto. And you’re right, I could just have him completely take the reigns and steer the build. But I could just buy one of your guitars if what I was going for is the best possible sound. And I certainly don’t expect to come out of this with a guitar on the level of quality of you legends but it will be a guitar that I’ll think is super cool and I’m pretty sure it would sound pretty nice. Maybe as a small body Torres or maybe not, but it’ll be a guitar that I built with my own claws with lots of help from a cool dude in Spain. I’ve wasted money on stupider things and I’ll do it again

So anyway you’re thinking it’s a really bad idea but a slightly less bad idea if the scale was lengthened?

Okay good news, I found the Romanillos book for $160.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 6:15:33
 
Echi

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Fe 17 is a lovely guitar.
You can find online the pictures of the restoration done by Luca Waldner and I also have the plan of the top drawn by him even though there is not mention of the thickness.
Years ago I wanted to make a copy of FE 17 myself but ended up with a copy of FE 18, a even smaller Torres.
At the time I was really taken by the work of Torres but again, imho it’s not ideal as a flamenco guitar for many reasons. You see, it’s a guitar with very low pitched box air and low tensioned plates: not ideal for rasgueados or piercing trebles needed for accompaniment.
Santos is a better option for flamenco and for sure you can find one with a small plantilla, not too far from the dimensions of FE 17.
A requinto is even less suitable as a flamenco guitar.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 9:15:54
 
estebanana

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

quote:

anyway you’re thinking it’s a really bad idea but a slightly less bad idea if the scale was lengthened?

Okay good news, I found the Romanillos book for $160.



Read the Torres book and get out measuring tools.
Get a roll of shelf paper or white craft paper, it’s long and narrow. Find a smooth table and draw a center line with a pencil down the middle. From your Torres book take the length of the back of FE-17, mark it out. Take the scale length, divide it in half, place the halfway point at the top of the body. Make perpendicular line at each of these points, the end of the ruler that’s the nut stop. The middle of the scale length as it hits the top of the body - there’s the 12th fret. Next mark along the center line where the scale length stops- There’s the saddle.

Now pick a longer scale length go through the same process and tell me where the saddle lands. That’s your answer.

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

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Can anyone provide insight on these guitars and their suitability as flamenco guitars rather than classical?


Amigo, pretend it’s not a guitar at all. You are basically saying you are going to a viola building class but want to come with plans for a violin that you want to know can be used as a fiddle.

Requinto is not tuned like a guitar, it is designed for higher pitch strings. No that is not at all acceptable for flamenco music. Next, the classical guitar neck angle is designed to allow for a bridge height above one cm that is considered acceptable. That is no good for flamenco playing rasgueado and golpe, and you won’t be learning how to create that correct flamenco neck angle. So if you want a guitar that can only be used to accompany female singers that you will be bleeding all over, go for it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 15:29:56
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

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Tom do you know if there is much variation between Torres small body guitar designs? I’ve tried to look up specific information about them but I get routed to the plans from Courtnall’s book, which I posted already.


I must sign off since I was a basic flamenco builder from the start. Torres was not my main interest although I have built a few.

I have 3 master guitar designs at the GAL, 1 classical, 2
flamencos.

1 Manuel Reyes 2003, about the size of a Conde style

1 Arcangel Fernandez, probably close to your smaller size but still....

1 Miguel Rodriguez, definitely classical

I'm currently retired but hang around just for the fun of it.

None of these guitars would fit your smaller body needs.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 15:40:30
 
Echi

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Fe 17 has a 645 mm scale: not that short and anyway you can make it longer as pointed out by Estebana.
Neck angle is suitable for flamenco guitars in the specific case of Torres.
Main problem in my opinion is the low tuned air pitch and the bracing pattern.
A more parallel bracing pattern shaped in the style of Santos would do something.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 15:47:02
 
Tikahtnu

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Ricardo

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Amigo, pretend it’s not a guitar at all. You are basically saying you are going to a viola building class but want to come with plans for a violin that you want to know can be used as a fiddle.


The only difference between a violin and a fiddle is you can spill beer on one of them. This isn’t explicitly a flamenco course, it’s a custom build, and I’ve been realizing that my self taught style has some close similarities to flamenco and I’ve been delving into it, which is why I had requested we make a flamenco guitar. Though it would be really stupid to travel all the way to Spain to make with this builder to make a non-flamenco guitar. But I’m not trying to be a flamenco guitarist, I am takin lessons but that’s more to work the techniques I’ve developed over the past 13 years. I’m just trying to explore my relationship with music and musical instruments. It just happens to fall in line with flamenco currently. I think it’s important for me to point this out because the majority of replies seem to be directed at someone who desperately needs to find himself within the closely guarded traditions of that which is the eternal flamenco guitar. I’m not trying to be Paco or Jason Macguire by any means, I don’t care about performing, I just care about forgetting who I am and what all of this is for a moment while I’m lost in a self manipulating soundscape.

Thanks for pointing out the tuning for the requinto, I hadn’t realized that. It’s tuned like a guitalele. And this answers my other question, about the differences between the requinto and the FE-17: requinto has a scale length of 604 according to the plans, and the FE-17 is 645 according to Echi… yikes wish I hadn’t already purchased the plans. Oh well, still stupid it seems. I’m not going to beat myself up too much, I’m terrible at judging the length of sailboats too. I will explore more of Santos’s designs in Making Master Guitars and communicate with Paco and see what we can work out, as that seems fairly unanimous.

I do appreciate the replies, though I wish I wasn’t treated like a complete idiot for asking these questions. Even the best builders will put stickers over their mistakes, and they will be 100% better. But anything this niche is going to have ardent guardians. I’m a self taught (advanced) amateur mycologists with my own functioning myco laboratory, I’m a pilot with a multi engine rating who has flown his own plane across a continent, I’m a sailor, a diver with thousands and thousands and thousands of hours, and if anyone has any stupid questions about any of my passions, I’m always happy to stop what I’m doing and help try to explain them in a way that can be understood and I and I’m a way that we can communicate ideas and both learn. Which I’m not saying hasn’t happened here, it definitely has and I appreciate the replies, just had to wade through a bit of narcissism.

Echi, I was looking at Thames’ website and he currently has an FE-18 for sale. Looks super cool. The videos I’ve seen of his FE-17 are all unreal sound quality, but would be nice to hear it next to a full sized instrument as well. I did see one lesser quality video that sounded a bit more hollow but I’m not sure if that was just the recording equipment he was using.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 17 2021 19:12:53
 
Echi

 

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

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I just care about forgetting who I am and what all of this is for a moment while I’m lost in a self manipulating soundscape

I’m not a native English speaker but this sentence sounded great.
All considered you are probably on the right path.
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JasonM

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

You could just get one of these carbon fiber small guitars that Ramzi has and not have to worry about it getting ruined on the boat.

https://youtu.be/mWW6zL9WGpI
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estebanana

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The only difference between a violin and a fiddle is you can spill beer on one of them. This isn’t explicitly a flamenco course, it’s a custom build, and I’ve been realizing that my self taught style has some close similarities to flamenco and I’v


That’s incorrect- fiddling and classical playing and baroque playing all require really specific set ups exactly like the difference between a flamenco guitar an electric guitar and classical guitar.

I can see if you were my student I’d have to sit on you real hard to get your attitude correct. You need to have your ass kicked into next Tuesday because you really really don’t listen. I don’t know how it’s possible, but you’re more stubborn than E. Hernandez. Is there a stubborn drug in the water in Alaska? Is there a chucklehead mold that pops out freaks who already know everything?

Did a bear trap snap on your head? Did a mouse kick you when you were a child? What’s up with all the turbulence against making a flamenco guitar from one of the plans you can buy and everyone knows how to coach?

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Moose

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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THE MADNESS AND BUILD THE SANTOS!!!



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Aahhhhhhhhhh!!!!



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ernandez R

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to estebanana

Moose! Moose!

Did some one say Moose! Let me at em, I'll take him with one hand tied behind my back, both hands...

Did you learn anything on the foro today, well... don't go luthering any farther then your own back yard and...

Click your canastas three times and say, there's no place like the foro, there's no place like the foro, there's no place like the...

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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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ernandez R

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Tikahtnu

Almost forgot, Diago Del Gastor played an 18 fret guitar with a butterfly sticker on the tap plate, the old man was cool before kids were cool. He actually had another sticker on the eighteen fretter but I couldn't tell what it was?

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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

I can see if you were my student I’d have to sit on you real hard to get your attitude correct. You need to have your ass kicked into next Tuesday because you really really don’t listen. I don’t know how it’s possible, but you’re more stubborn than E. Hernandez. Is there a stubborn drug in the water in Alaska? Is there a chucklehead mold that pops out freaks who already know everything?

Did a bear trap snap on your head? Did a mouse kick you when you were a child? What’s up with all the turbulence against making a flamenco guitar from one of the plans you can buy and everyone knows how to coach?


I lived in Alaska for a couple of years as a young teenager, and I've gone back to visit friends there a few times. Several of those friends moved to Alaska in the counterculture diaspora of the early 1970s, and made a pretty good go of it on "the last frontier."

It seems to me that originality and self confidence are somewhat more frequent there than in most other places.

Alaska attracts such people, then runs off those who can't make it.

....remember, this comes from a Texan.

RNJ

Come to think of it, all my successful Alaskan friends were originally from families that had been in Texas for at least two or three generations, but in Alaska you run into people from all over.
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quote:

lived in Alaska for a couple of years as a young teenager, and I've gone back to visit friends there a few times. Several of those friends moved to Alaska in the counterculture diaspora of the early 1970s, and made a pretty good go of it on "the last frontier."

It seems to me that originality and self confidence are somewhat more frequent there than in most other places.

Alaska attracts such people, then runs off those who can't make it.

....remember, this comes from a Texan.

RNJ

Come to think of it, all my successful Alaskan friends were originally from families that had been in Texas for at least two or three generations, but in Alaska you run into pe


I think in Texas the best thing that ever happened is they they isolated the story telling gene.

I trash talk because it’s fun, but it’s also useful to suss out who talks about making guitars and who walks the walk. You find out all kinds of things with trash talk.

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ernandez R

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RE: Small body torres for flamenco g... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

Richard,

I always tell people Alsaka is a bull **** filter. You have to be honest with yourself and others to make at here as well as know when to ask for help and offer it. Qualities often found in Texans.

I wrote a few paragraphs yesterday but decided to not send it as I didn't feel it offered any idea of worth and most likly offended.


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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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