José Millán: fandangos de Macandé y la Gloria

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Morante

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José Millán: fandangos de Macandé...

José was an encyclopedia de cante, my maestro and my best friend. He showed me how a cantaor should breathe and how he should meter el cante en el compás.

Sadly, when I tried to record him he was close to death and the recording was ruined by the guitarrista, who tried to move to another studio. As a result my CD of José was postumous and poorly recorded.

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RobF

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to Morante)

Thanks.

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Ricardo

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to Morante)

Ole! For me fandango de Gloria, malagueñas de mellizo and granaina de Chacon are the most beautiful cantes.

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mecmachin

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to Morante)

quote:

how he should meter el cante en el compás

HOW?

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Morante

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to mecmachin)

Hola. You should listen to some cante. There is a difference between cante pátrás and cante pálante.

When accompanying baile, the funcion of guitar, palmas and cante is to provide a solid rhythmical foundation for the dancer. So the cante is more cuadrado, more a compás.

When accompanying cante, the compás is more flexible, even elastic: the cantaor has freedom to phrase the cante as he likes. Listen to early Camarón: the Soleá de Cádiz "Y tú no me respondías" is a good example.

Or you could listen to Frank Sinatra, who plays with the compás in the same way

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Ricardo

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to mecmachin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mecmachin

quote:

how he should meter el cante en el compás

HOW?

For baile the guitar is often constructing a set chart of chords for the sections of dance where the letras go (except in super rare cases where the dancer improvises), a singer could conceivably sing to a pre-recorded guitar track like karaoke with no harm to the baile structure. This leads to a false impression that there is a set correct way in which the melodies lay in the chord chart.

The more traditional approach to singing is to let the melody uncouple from the chart and sometimes resolve later, as if the melody drags across the bar lines, yet the guitar maintains the rhythm while allowing the cadential chords to fall at different times than would have been in the baile chart scenario. Sometimes delayed resolutions result in extra compases generated, and other times the delay is made up for in the next half-compas.

Nowadays the second method is a dying art. I was forced to do an amalgam several times for younger singers from Spain, who pretend to stretch the compas of Soleá and I must slow way down then speed back up, as if the singers have decided to re-couple the melody to the specific chart of the baile example, such that when they slow the melody I have to stop compas and wait or adjust tempo, maintaining the set chart structure until the drama is over then resume the original tempo.

While I have noted that last example used occasionally by camaron and Tomatito in tangos and bulerias (even where palmeros had to join the “fun”), doing this for Soleá negates the whole art described by example 2. Opinions and trends will vary.

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mecmachin

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RE: José Millán: fandangos de Maca... (in reply to Morante)

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You should listen to some cante.

Thanks for the tip, but this is what I am doing since more than 20 years now.

Actually, i hoped you disposed of a straightforward recipe for singing bulerias well.
It must be about "metering" el cante en el compas. But with "meter", you probably meant the spanish verb?

Sinatra owed his success to his straight singing without "adorno". A little sidenote: many don't know that his tube 'I did it my way' was originally composed by Claude François (Comme d'habitude), and lateron adapted to English by Paul Anka.

cheers
Mecmachin

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