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RobF

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to Pali

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Copies are useless, I was never struck by copying anything.

I think part of this comes from marketing, on the one hand, and customer push, on the other. Also, it seems to be more a thing with classical guitars than flamenco. As long as people want to call their copy a “Reyes” or “Barbero” or “Hauser” or “Whatever”, and pretend it’s the real thing, and makers are willing to fulfill this demand, then the situation will persist. But, most of the makers here on the Foro are making guitars of their own design. Perhaps influenced by others, and using plans is also encouraged for the new makers as a learning tool, but most serious makers on here are not copyists, I think. Maybe I’m wrong on this, however.

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I don't care having a flamenco guitar and the cigar that Fidel Castro used to smoke passes under the strings, as long as it's comfortable and it sounds flamenco, I don't care what others think.

Pali, you can say this all you want, but that doesn’t make it true. The problem is if you can pass Fidel’s cigar under the strings the guitar will likely not be comfortable to play or sound flamenco. If a guitar meeting that test does end up being liked by a flamenco player, then you’re right, and that’s OK, at least for that player. But I think it’s making life difficult for a maker to go this direction, as lots of players might complain or start bleeding all over the place and then the only way you will be able to stop them from crying is to let them smoke Fidel’s cigar, which I know you were saving for a special occasion.
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Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

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Pali, you can say this all you want, but that doesn’t make it true. The problem is if you can pass Fidel’s cigar under the strings the guitar will likely not be comfortable to play or sound flamenco. If a guitar meeting that test does end up being liked by a flamenco player, then you’re right, and that’s OK, at least for that player. But I think it’s making life difficult for a maker to go this direction, as lots of players might complain or start bleeding all over the place and then the only way you will be able to stop them from crying is to let them smoke Fidel’s cigar, which I know you were saving for a special occasion.


You don't want me to give you a demonstration, right? I don't have much time but ....... I have no problem and recreate what I'm saying ...

I have experimented with everything that has occurred to me, I have done unthinkable things and that teaches you a lot of everything, as I told you I do not follow anyone, I just have fun as I have never done before.....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2021 9:45:44
 
RobF

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I spent the last 25 years working as a workshop manager and technical teacher specialized in orthopedics, helping people, I worked for a large company that allowed me to have expensive hobbies such as making musical instruments and many other things.

I think there’s a lot of interesting topics you can post here that would be very enjoyable to see. You could post about your shop, which has a lot of interesting machinery, another post could be about shoe making, which a lot of people here are interested in, and another about tool making, such as the mini hand planes. I personally would really like to see more posts about the violin family work, and of course, more posts about your guitar projects, because that’s what the Lutherie section is all about. So, lots of good topics. It’s fun.

I don’t agree about the dimensions you describe for flamenco guitars, but that’s OK, you can make your flamenco guitars your way, I’ll make mine in my way, and it’s all good. As long as people enjoy playing them, that’s all that really counts. But, I thought when you first posted here you said you were new to making flamenco guitars because you mostly made classical guitars. Almost like you wanted some response or feedback from the makers on here. Even if that’s not the case, everything is still fine and it is interesting to see your projects.
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Schieper

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to ernandez R

I just finished making a 75 pages maintenance contract for Industrial machines. Does that count for something arround here?

It uses all the letters of the alphabet :-)
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ernandez R

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

Pali,

When I started building my first guitar more then two years ago, I was told by luthiers I respected to build this design or that design and stick with it many times to learn how it makes a good guitar, then build many of another design until I understand what makes a good design. I understand the value of such a pathway and see it’s usefulness.
But! But that is not me, not for me, I take the path less traveled, sure it might be muddy and filled with stones and dead ends but for me that is life, I have never been a drone worker bee to follow along without my own ideas, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t stung my own ass in the process a few times.
I’m building two new Flamenca and two classical now, slower this time then I’ve done in the past, thinking more, less a lesson about how to fit wood together and more “why?”
Reading all the books I could get my hands on and guitar forums blogs etc I’ve notice so many ways almost one for each builder that leads to the same point, not so much a perfection but rather a variety of pleasing instruments to fit the ear and eyes of many players.
Sure there are fixed requirements like the low strung hight Ricardo mentions for his flamenco but still plays a guitar with strings too high and bloodied his fingers for the love of his art, it’s his choice, it’s our choice, and thank Orphis for gifting us sticks and strings to work our magic.

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

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But, I thought when you first posted here you said you were new to making flamenco guitars because you mostly made classical guitars. Almost like you wanted some response or feedback from the makers on here. Even if that’s not the case, everything is still fine and it is interesting to see your projects.


I'm sorry but I've been reviewing what I've written and I can't find anything you say, I've never said that I was starting to make guitars ..... I also don't hope anyone says anything, I just participate like any other member.
It is true I can upload many things but they are not related to the thread that interests us all, the flamenco guitar.
This answer also serves "ernandez" I have never talked about making an untouchable guitar with impossible heights, I have not written any of that, you must remember that I am a musician and like anyone I need a comfortable instrument to play hours and hours, ( although I have not played for many years,) no I would think of mounting a guitar with a height of 7 mm at the 12th fret, it's absurd.

When I speak I refer to changes in measurements, rings, lobes, evidence of the bending of the lid using previously shaped rods and not forced on the hearth ... changes that will not affect the comfort of the instrument in any way.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2021 17:04:02
 
Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

A beautiful boots...



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2021 17:22:43
 
Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

A beautiful bespoke chukka boots imitating the lasts of Antonio Meccariello, the lasts are also handmade.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2021 17:30:00
 
RobF

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to Pali

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RobF: But, I thought when you first posted here you said you were new to making flamenco guitars because you mostly made classical guitars. Almost like you wanted some response or feedback from the makers on here. Even if that’s not the case, everything is still fine and it is interesting to see your projects.
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Pali: I'm sorry but I've been reviewing what I've written and I can't find anything you say, I've never said that I was starting to make guitars ..... I also don't hope anyone says anything, I just participate like any other member.


I think this is what caused me to misunderstand you....

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Pali: I have not played guitar for 30 years, I made this one for a friend, I had to read something about flamenco so that he could hear its sound, I'm a classical musician as I said before,


It’s all good with me. Not everybody comes on the Lutherie section for the same reasons. Like I said, you have many interesting things you can post about and people will enjoy reading about your hobbies.
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Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to RobF

More pictures...





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2021 17:51:12
 
Pali

 

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More....
with the customer...









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Pali

 

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Ok?.....









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Pali

 

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And from time to time my head also goes away ...ahahahahaha



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Ricardo

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to Pali

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I'm sorry but I've been reviewing what I've written and I can't find anything you say, I've never said that I was starting to make guitars .....


I think you came into the “Classical vs Flamenco” guitar topic claiming people had the wrong idea and a blindfold would surprise people...I agreed with you, but the impression you gave at that time was that you make CLASSICAL guitars only. The fact that flamenco folks have used your guitars with tap plates taped on or whatever means you don’t build flamenco guitars, and that is totally fine. But it also implies that you are NEW TO BUILDING FLAMENCO STYLE GUITARS. This could be a false statement if you have in fact built guitars specifically for flamenco and NOT for classical. Like it or not this is reality. If your opinion is a flamenco guitar IS a classical guitar with a tap plate, well, that is fine too. But it still means you did not build with flamenco music as the exclusive intent for the instrument.

Nice boots!

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Pali

 

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RE: Birdseye maple. (in reply to Ricardo

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I think you came into the “Classical vs Flamenco” guitar topic claiming people had the wrong idea and a blindfold would surprise people...I agreed with you, but the impression you gave at that time was that you make CLASSICAL guitars only. The fact that flamenco folks have used your guitars with tap plates taped on or whatever means you don’t build flamenco guitars, and that is totally fine. But it also implies that you are NEW TO BUILDING FLAMENCO STYLE GUITARS. This could be a false statement if you have in fact built guitars specifically for flamenco and NOT for classical. Like it or not this is reality. If your opinion is a flamenco guitar IS a classical guitar with a tap plate, well, that is fine too. But it still means you did not build with flamenco music as the exclusive intent for the instrument.

Nice boots!


Ricardo Ricardo Ricardo man, please do not be so hard on me, enjoy the pictures that I upload, the internet and the keyboard are very cold, I am cheerful and outgoing and I never get angry with anyone, if that is your thought, perfect, it is very respectable.
I started making flamenco guitars when there was no internet, no published books ... so you can get an idea ...
I played and went to buy strings at Reyes' house, even knowing that they were more expensive than in music stores, but I liked the smell of cypress and seeing his workshop.
I told Manuel Reyes Sr. that I made guitars and he made me take it first because he wanted to see it and it was very funny, because he didn't believe it, I have a very funny anecdote.
He told me: "I wish my first guitar would have been like half of this, I had to throw them into the water ..... and I didn't keep any, now I regret it, keep it .... that was a compliment to me. He gave me three caps for the bridge and I made friends with him, then I met or treated his son in orthopedics, he had some problems and he was still not working with his father .....
Then he sat on the chair and checked the tuning .... hahahahaha asked me how I got the scale ....the guitar tuned perfectly in all registers, it was a compensated scale without moving the bridge ...... hahaha it was fun, today I still have it in my workshop ....... I feel nostalgic for how fast it is time passes .... good memories, very good .......



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