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estebanana

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to Ricardo

I disagree with McCarthy being cited as an example of proto cancel culture. He’s a rouge actor who managed to manipulate the power of the state to support his paranoia. He weaponized the paranoia during a time when there were aspects of communism that were a global safety threat. He’s a good illustration of the pointed difference between using the might of the state as an instrument of terror by a select few. In contrast ‘cancel culture’ is a mass movement, McCarthy manipulated a power center by using the laws of the state quite ethically in a wrong way. He’s more like Mitch McConnell if Mitch wasn’t such a money grubbing coward.

Speaking if why senator Baloney Sandwiches is daft, the reason we don’t have some kind of comprehensive healthcare system in the US isn’t because Democrats can’t pull it off or the Pentathlongon has too big a budget, no it’s because Mitch McConnell and his senate caucus are blocking it because they despicable scum. Bernie knows this, but keeps up his attack on the center because he is an immature unrealistic old man who didn’t get his way when he was in the ‘radical 60’s’ - his attitude is a cancellation gambit- we can’t have the most ideal health care or environmental policies, therefore I will raise a stink and cancel the will of the center.”

He’s a jerk.

60 to 75 % of the public who votes wants progressive environmental policy and healthcare, but are good with making it happen from the center, the imposters from both extremes of right and left are not helping. Both e

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Fluknu

 

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to estebanana

I disagree with your statement that Cancel culture is a mass movement. I believe it's a minority who are driving this thing. With a vast majority disagreeing with the means used, but agreeing that we have to work for more inclusiveness.

This minority is definitely using manipulation to come to their end, with all the means they can. And honnestly, when you say "using the might of the sate as an instrument of terror", I think in some cases it really applies to cancel culture (Like loosing your job due to pressure on a school board and so on).

It's certainly not at that level now. But the discussion was that there is the potentiel for it to evolve in that direction.

If a good and sound left is not here to bring those people back into collaborative and real integration effort, it's gonna go bad. Only the right is gonna prevent their advance but from a regressive point of view (Pre post-modern). And that's not good eihter, cause it's gonna be a culture war.

So a good and sound left that tells those people "hey, calm down, we're working on it, but stop antagonise everyone".

I mean come on...I should feel guilty of being a white male! It's like saying to a 20 y-o- german that he should still feel guilty for his nazi forefathers and mothers :)
The only thing it's gonna create is resentment and the seeds are sowed for the next victimized group. And on and on we go...

Racism, sexism and the whole thing is ubiquitous on this earth (between races, country and villages). And if some people want to lead humanity towards more inclusion and integration,, it's certainly not cancel culture. it's a travesti of inclusion that endeavour who wants to be included by excluding or canceling others.

Rant finished...Back to tortilla.

God, I had promised myself not to write on that thread anymore...;)
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to Fluknu

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God, I had promised myself not to write on that thread anymore...;)


Time to wrap this thread up?
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chester

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to estebanana

Some of you people are really two steps away from foaming at the mouth while watching a murdoch news channel talk about the war on christmas.

The amount of conflation between right wing bogeymen is astounding. Try to remember that not everyone's experience of life is the same as yours.
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ernandez R

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

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God, I had promised myself not to write on that thread anymore...;)


Time to wrap this thread up?



In a soft flour tortilla made with lard rendered from young pigs and the finest soft bleached flower scooped out of bags pretty enough to skirt the smoothest young thighs...

You sensilest you HR, only tortillas made with whole grain flower milled by Sandanestias and mixed up in vergin olive oil crushed under the unwashed feet of the workers, no ugly mega farm pig fat melted under petrochemical fires, there are no skirts in this food fight, only thighs tough and hardened, mean and sexless, dry as a whole wheat tortilla...

Wait wait wait, do you understand we can all eat the wrap of our choosing without filling it with hate, we need not scoop of pieces of ignorance to sate this hate...

F’you all, I’m going to deep fry this corn tortilla and you are going to love it or starve. Go ahead, if you dare, reach your hand into the boiling canola oil, use your meaningless words like so much shredded lettuce or soft overripe tomatoes, blue cheese that’s not supposed to be blue, fish gone to flounder,...

To be honest don’t be played, the most evil and insidious phrases are the most meaningless, they pit one against the other those that would rule if only they stood side by side.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2021 2:59:09
 
RobF

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to ernandez R

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In a soft flour tortilla made with lard rendered from young pigs and the finest soft bleached flower scooped out of bags pretty enough to skirt the smoothest young thighs...

You sensilest you HR, only tortillas made with whole grain flower milled by Sandanestias and mixed up in vergin olive oil crushed under the unwashed feet of the workers, no ugly mega farm pig fat melted under petrochemical fires, there are no skirts in this food fight, only thighs tough and hardened, mean and sexless, dry as a whole wheat tortilla...

Wait wait wait, do you understand we can all eat the wrap of our choosing without filling it with hate, we need not scoop of pieces of ignorance to sate this hate...

F’you all, I’m going to deep fry this corn tortilla and you are going to love it or starve. Go ahead, if you dare, reach your hand into the boiling canola oil, use your meaningless words like so much shredded lettuce or soft overripe tomatoes, blue cheese that’s not supposed to be blue, fish gone to flounder,...


OK, I pretty well agree with everything that was said there that I understood, except DO NOT go sticking your hand into boiling Canola Oil. That’s just bad advice. Geez... I turn my back on this thread for one minute and...juh-eeeezzzz....

I thought we had agreed to wrap this up after Piwin started dancing around in his underwear...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2021 3:59:27
 
estebanana

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to Fluknu

In the US the thing that gets mixed up is the positive force of speaking back at power and the petty or destructive force of being a cultural tattle tale. I can only speak of the US, but using social media to rally against racism in politics has been had a lot of positive results. And that’s not petty cancel culture, however the right wing media has branded the fight against its racism as cancel culture because it riles up its viewers and promotes ratings to go up. The reason why is that’s all they have left as a tool to make money because the mass center of the population has grown tired and grown up.

Currently the Republican Party is trying to restrict voting rights because it’s the only way they can stay in power, by dominating voting rules in minority districts. The Republican Party now only represents 30% of the population and they are losing voters who become centrists and don’t vote for them. There is a huge amount of conflation of people who are fed up with the control of the republicans over the senate and the conservative media calls them cancel culture perpetrators. The reason I’m not concerned is because the propaganda against the will of the center is just hot air. Once the Republican Party is beaten down the rhetoric will continue from the right wing, but the sorting out of what is fair or not fair will continue in courts.

The US would already have healthcare and comprehensive immigration policy if the right wing media would stop scaring people who are not ‘worldly’ - and as far as the left goes, the most hard core idiots thankfully get tired of being the radical chic, have kids and stop taking like fools around age 40. Some patience is required.

I don’t know what it’s like anywhere else, but I think a lot of the complaints about cancel culture are not deeply thought out or evaluated for the amount of propaganda behind the complaining.

As far as non cell phones in psych lock downs, it’s a liability issue and a privacy issue. There’s another reason, which I’m familiar with as I had a relative in and out of lockdown wards for two decades. In the case of drug abuse mental problems the doctors want to cut ties to sources to get the drugs so the patient cannot continue the relationship with often involves other forms of abusive behavior like prostitution and forced drug selling.

If you have 5 hours I can teach a psychologist a great deal. On the street there are ways in which people leverage each other into doing crime and abusive behavior, the seasoned doctors finally figure out the patterns and restrict access to certain past acquaintances via phone or visits. And the other reason is that it prevents law enforcement from trying to trap patients. That’s a whole chapter as doctors gain a responsibility to advocate for patients and protect them from police interrogation at the entry to a lockdown.

As far as abuse in the lockdown, it’s better inside than outside and eventually the bad doctors and techs get turned in by colleagues and investigated.

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Bulerias2005

 

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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On inpatient psychiatry patients are not allowed to have their cell phones etc unless specifically authorized, which is not my policy but the hospital’s, such as to call family during a particular time though there are also unit phones available. That has to do with patient confidentiality because other patients have a right to privacy. Why do you ask?


Why? Because that is the main tool used by “cancel culture”, and after admitting you “see” injustice at work I was hoping you can see how the “privacy policy” is preventing the cancel culture from exposing those injustices. So what is more important do you think, and this is important....the injustice or the privacy?

Where did I say that I saw injustice? I agree with the policy on inpatient units. I don’t know your experience with psychiatry but I’ll just say that there is a lot of misinformation and caricature out there about what goes on behind the closed doors. “One Flew Over a Cuckoo’s Nest” is not reflective of what happens on inpatient units. This is my experience so that is all I can speak for, but I have never seen an attending engage in any practice that has not been in some capacity supported by the literature, and furthermore, there are always ongoing discussions regarding ethics and maximizing patient autonomy. What does this have to do with cancel culture?

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RobF

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RE: What do you mean, 'Who's the aut... (in reply to estebanana

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I don’t know what it’s like anywhere else, but I think a lot of the complaints about cancel culture are not deeply thought out or evaluated for the amount of propaganda behind the complaining.

The problem is, there is nothing nuanced about cancel culture. You’ll never see the introspection found in, say, this discussion on the Foro in the typical cancel culture discussions. Perhaps due to the amount of discourse going on these days that has been reduced to 280 character word bytes.

What I see as cancel culture is the equivalent of mob rule or middle school cliques, where the opinions of prime influencers are given supremacy over discriminating thought or a considered evaluation of the issues. Is it any surprise, when entire cultures or countries give credence to and seem to actually celebrate such cretinous behaviour, that the pro manipulators and sociopaths recognize a good thing when they see it and take full advantage?

I don’t see it as a right v.s. left thing, the use of mob mentality to further an agenda isn’t specific to any one ideology. While it can be used for positive change, for each instance where it does so I suspect there are just as many instances where it flies off the rails and extreme harm is perpetuated. We’re heading to a dark place with this stuff, that’s my fear.
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