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BarkellWH
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 RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to mark indigo)
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depends what you (or the OP, or anyone else) mean by "world music". Seems like can mean folk, traditional or classical music from any part of the world other than western classical or pop/rock, so IMO flamenco fits in fine with that definition. But it can also mean fusions of folk, traditional or classical music from any part of the world mixed with western pop/rock (not so often with western classical). I generally appreciate music from the former definition but don't have much time for the latter.
I would not refer to your first definition, in which flamenco is included, as "World Music." I would call it "Non-Western Music," and I agree that flamenco is a part of the non-Western tradition.
I agree with your second definition as being "World Music" as I have always understood it, i.e., a fusion or mix of non-Western with Western pop, rock, etc. It is that definition that I would hate to see flamenco become entangled with. I don't have much time for it either.
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Date Feb. 4 2021 22:27:01
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kitarist
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RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen
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World music was nothing more than a marketing “bin” created by record stores.
Exactly right: it was what was left over after everything else had been filed under the standard labels, and they didn’t know where to put it.
There is even an exact date - Jun 29, 1987:
"[..]on June 29 1987, a group of music enthusiasts involved in the running of independent record labels met in a London pub, The Empress of Russia, to discuss how they might market music from around the world. The group - which included DJ Charlie Gillett, Ian Anderson (now editor of fRoots magazine), record producer Joe Boyd and Iain Scott - decided on a joint campaign to put “world-music” boxes in record stores to promote their products. This would cost just £3,500, financed by 11 indie record labels."
Here's their first-hand recounting and rethinking, in 2004, of the event:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2004/jun/29/popandrock1
The term itself did exist in academic circles, coined apparently in 1962 the early 1960s by ethnomusicologist Robert E. Brown.
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Date Feb. 5 2021 19:07:26
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to kitarist)
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ORIGINAL: kitarist
There is even an exact date - Jun 23, 1987:
"[..]on June 29 1987, a group of music enthusiasts involved in the running of independent record labels met in a London pub, The Empress of Russia, to discuss how they might market music from around the world. The group - which included DJ Charlie Gillett, Ian Anderson (now editor of fRoots magazine), record producer Joe Boyd and Iain Scott - decided on a joint campaign to put “world-music” boxes in record stores to promote their products. This would cost just £3,500, financed by 11 indie record labels."
The term itself did exist in academic circles, coined apparently in 1962 the early 1960s by ethnomusicologist Robert E. Brown.
From personal experience there were "world music" bins in record stores in Austin, Baton Rouge, Hollywood, Berkeley, New York, and London in the late 1960s. The big Virgin Records in Paris had one, labeled in English, in the mid-1970s.
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Date Feb. 5 2021 23:00:10
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ernandez R
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RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Ah, world music, how does that old saw go, it's what you say when you don't want to get kicked out of the party and not get any more coke. Insert the phrase New Wave or what ever accordingly.
A number of years ago I was intrigued by the voice of a singer used in the soundtrack for the movie 300, it was that homo-erotic graphic novel retelling of the battle of Thermopalie that Jack Snider put together, I preferred his Sucker Punch but that's a different story for another time...
I did some homework a al Google-fu and discovered that Azam Ali was the magical voice behind the music and she also sang in a "world music" group called Niyaz. Both her solo works and the band are worth a listen. And yes both are classified WM.
Go back half a century, about time I was born, my mother purchased a Harry Belafonte/Nana Mouskouri album and feel like I was weened listening to the Greek infused tones. Figure if one was to classify this coupling world music would describe it as well as any other label: Harry's Carib and Nana's Greek.
Some good selections up thread. Listened to Radio Tarifa most of the afternoon and played along to some of the songs, vary Phrygian dominant.(?)
Of course typing this to Niyaz...
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should have some meat on the bones,
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Date Feb. 5 2021 23:44:14
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Fluknu
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 RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to joevidetto)
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Well, The thing is that with a world that is connecting itself more and more, music of all countries beeing accessible without travelling, new mixes emerged. and new words or categories have to be created.
But as for myself I don't care so much for labels. It's sounds good and interesting for me...or not. But it's certainly a very western centric concept, that needs to be changed with times, as it does not reflect well the sate of the music - certainly important for music historians.
It makes me think about the term "universal". When you see something, like a psychological trait on humans beeings all over the planet, they called that universal, as opposed to cultural. That has always make me laugh. Yeah? in the whole universe?
By the way, I kind of enjoy the album by Howe Gelb, called Alegria. Nice americana/rock folck mixed with flamenco guitars.
https://youtu.be/L6MWWx7RVvk
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Date Feb. 6 2021 9:58:07
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BarkellWH
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RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to devilhand)
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This is something we don't want to read on a flamenco forum. Again, without those Barbarians flamenco wouldn't have existed.
Trump could have said it about Mexicans if he had a wall and were still a president.
"We don't want to read on a flamenco forum," Devilhand?
You are referring to my previous comment in which I stated, "My fear is flamenco as we have known it will eventually disappear for all practical purposes (save for a small niche) and be absorbed into the miasma of "World Music," and we will be the poorer for it. The barbarians are at the gates and I fear there is no holding them back."
What Barbarians was flamenco dependent upon for its existence? And what on earth do Trump, Mexicans, and the wall have to do with my comment?
It appears that you have completely misunderstood my comment and reached your own conclusion. One may agree or disagree with my comment, but I think anyone capable of reading comprehension would know that by "Barbarians" I meant those who would facilitate the absorption of flamenco into so-called "World Music" as I understand it, i.e., a fusion or mix of non-Western with Western pop, rock, etc.
Again, one may agree or disagree with my view of "World Music" and whether or not flamenco is likely to be absorbed by it, but I cannot see how anyone would suggest that I was speaking of some nexus between Barbarians and flamenco, much less about Trump, Mexicans, and the wall. What next, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Q-anon? 9/11 was an inside job? The school shootings were a false-flag operation?
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Feb. 6 2021 19:30:07
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BarkellWH
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RE: World Music - share some favorit... (in reply to devilhand)
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I thought you knew about history. If you knew about it well you wouldn't have used this word no matter in what context.
I know exactly what the term "Barbarian" has meant throughout history, from the Ancient Greeks, to the Romans, to its use today as a metaphor or exaggeration to describe someone perceived as less cultured. And I meant it exactly as it is meant (a figure of speech) in describing those who may facilitate flamenco's absorption into so'called "World Music."
It is you, Devilhand, who needs to improve your reading comprehension in order to place words in context, particularly a figure of speech such as "Barbarian." With your risible attempt to extrapolate my statement as including "Barbarians" who are responsible for flamenco, and in your fevered imagination equating it with Trump, Mexicans, and the wall, you demonstrate an inability to understand and comprehend what is clearly being used as a figure of speech for effect.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Feb. 6 2021 22:56:08
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