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joevidetto

 

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So, what flamenco artists do you think have taken their artistry to a new or different direction than PDL ? Share your artist, and a couple of pieces in particular.

This in partial response to the recent thread "everybody trying to emulate PD" (as well they should). PDL has defined the genre and composed with such genius it's hard not to spend most of one's time listening and emulating him.

I almost want to exclude the "big names" from this topic - but that definitely bring their own unique voice to flamenco and everyone is very famililar with their work: Vicente, Moraito, Pepe Habichuela, Rafael Riqueni, Tomatito (well, Tomatito really close to the PDL sound imho), Manolo Sanlucar (in particular Tauromagia), Gerardo, Viejin. Though if we exclude these guys - who is left to talk about ? I think Pepe and Maraito best exemplify the transition from traditional to 'modern'.

Of all those I placed on the "exclude" list - I really think Riqueni found a unique flamenco sound (if not a little classical too) in his playing, though his output varies. I especially like his earlier work on Juego De Ninos (Chicuelina, Manana por la Manana, Al Nino Miguel), even after listening to the later albums...I'm not sure why.

Another piece I really like - though not all of his work, and he is excellent, is Canizares. I found this piece very stylistic and modering - especially with the synth, yet still very (modern) flamenco:



Share your opinions : )
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Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

Mainly Gerardo Nuñez for me. Sanlucar did things very differently than PDL while still forward looking. Caño Roto as a “guitar school” took ideas and inspiration from PDL to a different level. But the question you are really asking is very difficult, because flamenco world is very small. Chicuelo is a guy that is a nice synthesis of various elements I like.

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henrym3483

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to Ricardo

gerardo nunez, moraito, diego del morao, dani de moron, rafael riqueni and manuel parilla for me.

all monster players with very different ways of expressing things.
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joevidetto

 

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

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z, moraito, diego del morao, dani de moron, rafael riqueni and manuel parilla for me.


Sometimes a question like this is for my own personal discovery - and hopefully a few of you take either a new or closer listen to the names people mention. I have not listened closely, if at all, Diego del Morao, Dani de Moron, and Manuel Parilla yet - but now I will. Thanks for sharing.
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aaron peacock

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

besides Manuel Parrilla, as mentioned above



>>=={...there was THE Parrilla de Jerez = a proper locomotive!}==>







*** and a brutal seguiriya! absolutely one of my favorites.
...he even quotes Bach, Ricardo! :P





>>>======={I'm quite partial to Niño Miguel }============>





but you get a better idea of his intricate style here...







might I add that you, Joe, are ROCKING the forum with amazing posts and starting many seriously good conversations.
I particularly adore the "flamenco keys" thread = a goldmine!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 3 2021 22:06:11
 
joevidetto

 

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

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you, Joe, are ROCK

Well - that's appreciated. I had stopped playing for many years because I knew nobody to talk or play flamenco with. This is definitely the next best thing. I always felt I could talk a good flamenco - unfortunately, I don't play nearly as well lol
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aaron peacock

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

oh silly mi, you surely know the Moraito clan right? Old Moraito was the uncle of Chico II, Chico Moraito I & II (II just died a few years ago), Chico II's son Diego and his nephew Pepe (del Morao)...
too many examples...

check them all out.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2021 22:22:10
 
Morante

 

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

Listen to Paco del Gastor and Joselito de Puro for authentic flamenco guitar.
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Ricardo

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

Underrated guy, smooth lyrical perfect playing ... great for cante as well.



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mark indigo

 

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

quote:

I almost want to exclude the "big names" from this topic - but that definitely bring their own unique voice to flamenco and everyone is very famililar with their work: Vicente, Moraito, Pepe Habichuela, Rafael Riqueni, Tomatito (well, Tomatito really close to the PDL sound imho), Manolo Sanlucar (in particular Tauromagia), Gerardo, Viejin. Though if we exclude these guys - who is left to talk about ? I think Pepe and Maraito best exemplify the transition from traditional to 'modern'.


Apart from Paco I think Riqueni was the most "original", and Vicente had a unique "voice" IMO. As we seem to be just mentioning everyone we like, I don't think anyone has mentioned Manolo Franco

Guajira at 1:07




Or Juan Carmona (not the Ketama one!)




For me the one that really stands out among younger players is José Manuel León



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 7 2021 21:51:09
 
aaron peacock

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RE: Flamenco guitarists with their o... (in reply to joevidetto

I've found good music links through this thread:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=266333&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1


There's this flamenco who is maybe 17-18 who is impressing many folks lately. While it is quite connected to the roots of each form, I've not heard another person with the same interpretation or personal style. (anyone hear someone else in his sound?)
quite passionate and articulate. One to watch for sure!



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