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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Building two under influence of ... (in reply to estebanana

To be clear, I didn’t mean that controlled measurements or various tuning processes were useless to builders. I meant to say they weren’t important to me as a player or listener.

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estebanana

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Ok I’m making some purfling. Black poplar-cherry-black poplar-cherry

The poplar is dyed black, I did not grow genetically modified poplar trees created with naturally black wood, although it crossed my mind.

I’m frazzled, working too much and not painting and fishing enough. All I can think about is fishing, I haven’t been out in the sea in I guess about two months. Yeah poor me, deprived of ocean fishing. I have an obsession and it’s better than many other bad habits one could have. I took up fishing with metal jigs on light carbon fiber rods that bend in parabolic arcs.

The rods weigh nothing but can land really strong fish. My best so far is very large red snapper. This winter is yellowtail season, it’s the best time of year to get a nice yellowtail. Or big grouper. I’m just doing the guitar craft work carefully, but I need to get a line with a 130 gram jig 50 meters deep and twitch it alive until a big Amber Jack, Tai or Buri slams it. It’s just what’s on my mind.

Did I mention this is a purfling making entry?





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If it’s only a time restriction, take some and go fishing. The guitars can handle you taking a day off, sounds like it’s well earned, and also needed. No fishing near me, but I’ve noticed I’ve recently been craving and frying up fish a lot more than I usually do.

Nice jig, btw.
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estebanana

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Nice jig..

I see what you did there

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ernandez R

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At least you are not building bamboo fishing rods... yet. I've know a few gents who fell down that worm hole, terrible way to get hooked.

Is your black poplar locally dyed or from LMI or the like?

If you recall I was playing around with dyed paper but decided I was afraid if I didn't size the paper properly it was not going to be durable or it would dampen the edge of the top. I've two up and thinking I'll wick thin CA around the perimeter before shellac...

Are you pre bending the strips on the pipe or setting them in your jig with glue.

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estebanana

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Yesterday’s veneers glued up into a curved ribbon of purfling. Today sliced out 3mm thick individual purfling strips with a knife backed a little bit of spruce as a stop. Score, a few light passes of the knife, turn the work over, back score the top cut and release the strip.





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estebanana

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You can observe a lot by just watching.

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JasonM

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I observe. That’s a clever trick with the spruce stop. I’m recently picked up a little balsa wood cutter that Alan Carruth uses for the cutting purfling. Mmm hamachi. One of my favorite fishies.
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One of my favorite fishies.




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estebanana

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That’s a Yogi Berraism, not my invention

Do you have a photo of Al’s balsa purf cutter?

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estebanana

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On the yellowtail-

Australia they call them kingfish, in Japan there are four names, hamachi, buri, hiramasa and sometimes Buri no ko- mainly there’s the difference between the Buri and the Hamachi, same fish only different age. Buri is a full grown yellowtail that usually reaches one meter or so. Hamachi is the same fish but between 12” and about 20” - there is a bit of difference in how the flesh looks and feels that makes the younger ones better for sushi. Buri is usually cut and served as sashimi, but hamachi is better for nigiri sushi 🍣

Hiramasa is a larger than one meter Buri, but some people tell me it’s a subspecies, I’ve not been able to confirm this yet. Buri no ko, that’s the ovaries full of eggs, which are quite tasty if you catch a female. Small Hamachi under 12” you could also call Buri no ko, ko means child, child of the Buri, but unless you were looking right at it while you said it probably people would think you meant ovary. But language is elastic, even Japanese is elastic despite a Japanese person telling you it doesn’t stretch.

In California they call it all yellowtail, big ones and small ones, and most people confuse Buri with Hamachi at the fish market. Asking for hamachi when clearly the yellowtail in the ice is a meter long. The butcher doesn’t know the difference either because he doesn’t understand fish. When I visited home in 2016 I wanted to cook a fish for some friends, we scoured the Bay Area for a fish counter were the product was not a week dead with grey gills and cloudy eyes. Finally the Berkeley Bowl supermarket had a passable fish counter. I remember gandering at a large Buri on the ice and some yuppie hipster says to the fish man, “give me a pound of that yellowtail hamachi”. Being the snob that I am, I turned to my friend held my arms a meter wide and said, this is a buri, and moved them two feet apart and said this is hamachi. But my explication wasn’t well received by the lady standing in line next to me because as I gestured out to make the meter wide distance she moved and the back of my hand landed square on the front of her right tit. She scowled, I apologized, she re scowled.

It just goes to show you, language is elastic.

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JasonM

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Here’s the cutter Al said he uses.(sorry the pic got rotated) Not exactly super high quality but The adjustment on the lead screw was surprisingly finer than I expected. It can be set for narrow strips of veneer. It’s sold by a company called Master Air Screw.



Fascinating info on yellowtail - and the perils of accidental boobie smacking. Never knew about the different sizes - of yellowtail . Maybe the sashimi they serve us hipsters over here is really just lake trout labeled as hamachi! Speaking of fishing and the Bay Area, a favorite short story of mine is called The Forty Fathom Bank. A suspense, about a guy who takes up commercial fishing during the Depression.

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Ok I’m making some purfling.

If you give them purfling, who knows what else they'll want? Next they'll be demanding strings....

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ernandez R

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ORIGINAL: constructordeguitarras

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Ok I’m making some purfling.

If you give them purfling, who knows what else they'll want? Next they'll be demanding strings....



And frets, don't forget about frets...

No joke, kid helping me in the shop has a few years of Clasical under his belt and has been wanging away at flamenco for about a year: can't f'n play without fret markers... Oy.

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should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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estebanana

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RE: Building two under influence of ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

My purfling channel cutter wasn’t making me happy either performance wise or aesthetically. It cuts fine, but I find it uncomfortable to hold. So I made a new one that’s more like a violin makers purfling cutter, but with one blade.



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estebanana

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I used a hunk of jointer blade and a belt sander to make a cutter blade. The handle is black persimmon and the hardware is stainless Allen head bolt with a threaded insert nut.





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estebanana

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It cuts crisp across end grain and transitions between grain direction on curves. That’s what it’s supposed to do, but I enjoy holding it much more because it’s easier to direct and see the cutting action. A sensitive instrument. Looks funky.



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estebanana

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Well here we are...



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estebanana

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Two funny stories today- one thing found one thing lost. This is my favorite ruler, a month ago I took it to the hardware store to measure some stuff I was going to buy. It slipped off the dashboard of the car and into a seam in front of the speedometer. It was lost inside the dashboard. Today it fell out of the dash board at a stop sign when I hit the brakes and the car lurched and shook. My ruler is back. I’m happy.

1985 I was working for a modeling agency and they brought an agent from Tokyo took at their models, they thought I would get picked to work in Japan. The agent was seeing us in a room, I walked in with the right side of my face to her. She smiled and nodded and I instantly thought great I’ll get this work.

As soon as I turned my face she saw I had a small mole on my chin, and she completely shut down and motioned for me to leave, with a glare as if how dare the agency recommend flawed goods.
That happens when you go to see art directors and agents, some like your look and some hate it.

Today in the bathroom of the community center I was blowing my nose and washing my hands because I had to read a text in front of 50 people at the jr high English speech contest. So I looked at my face to make sure I looked neat. The mole on the center of my chin was missing, gone. I looked in the tissue I had used and there was a tiny flat round sluff of skin, the mole was dry and had just fallen off, just like that, clear skin where it had been.

Damn, I thought, if I had that agents name that came from Tokyo in 1985, I could send the dried mole to her agency and go do some fashion plate work in Tokyo.



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constructordeguitarras

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one thing found one thing lost.

Those are funny stories. Thanks for sharing.
Best wishes

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estebanana

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Arnold agrees



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I've not been around much lately but glad I checked this out. Can't wait to hear what they sound like!

I had the pleasure of having a 72 Esteso in the workshop in January. I took top and back measurments as well as well strut heights and placements. I have just finished a run of 5 of them and am pretty pleased with the results. They definitely sound alot more modern than my Santos style but still have the flamenco edge.

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estebanana

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I’m anxious to hear the first one, it’s a commission so it will go out of the shop before the second one is finished. But I’m so busy between my own work and commissions- I have a deal with the city I live in to make guitars as gifts to be given in exchange for donations to the city tax base. If someone donates over a certain amount the city pays me to make a guitar for them as a thank you. It’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard of for artists, but it makes perfect sense. Anyway it’s keeping me very busy... the second Sobrinos guitar is Cypress and it’s a guitar for myself to play.

Know what you mean about the early 70’s Sobrinos being a little bit more tough than the Santos idea, but I don’t feel like that era Sobrinos is totally contemporary like Conde’s from the 90’s till now. The 70’s guitars have different more funky earthy thing, I feel like they have bite, but it’s not brash like some newer ones.

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Wow seems like an interesting way to keep the arts alive!

Even a description of the sound would be nice. Mine are all blancas built in the soleá Model style, a good way to get quick data on them. They are all very similar in sound in that they are rounder and sweeter than my Santos style but maintain the attack and bite you want from a flamenco guitar. They seem to buzz less to which is interesting.

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What scale length do you make them with, typically?
I've been catering to the 650mm requests, or 655, but I'm making them 660 from here on out because I just don't think flamenco guitars get the right string stiffness and taut response from 655 and lower. Short scales always have more buzzing issues

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What scale length do you make them with, typically?
I've been catering to the 650mm requests, or 655, but I'm making them 660 from here on out because I just don't think flamenco guitars get the right string stiffness and taut response from 655 and lower. Short scales always have more buzzing issues

This post would be the perfect opening for another thread.

You and I have had enough off-line conversations for you to know that I’m pretty well firmly in the same camp as you, but it would be great to hear the experiences and opinions of other makers on this matter. To add to your data (even though you’re asking SEden), I’ve settled on 655mm for Negras, and 660mm for Blancas but, like you, will make 650mm if specifically requested (and paid for). I’ve recently had a request for a 665mm Negra from a Spanish pro, so that’s not obsolete, either.

But, yeah, it would be great to know the experiences of other makers (and players). It seems to be assumed that the norm these days is 650mm and people will simply refuse to even consider any higher, but is this really the case, or are we just victims of the marketing of the larger manufacturers?
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I make all Flamenco guitars 660mm. I think I made a 640mm custom small body once. It sounded good though but it was for a small lady who also had other requirements.

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ernandez R

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Unless I am wrong, if one increases scale length using the same string, increased string tension is required to attain the same frequency, and in doing so the string amplitude decrease at the same frequency hence lower action is posable and less buzz or string pop when hitting them hard?

I'm sure string selection has a lot to do with this but I'm afraid to use the higher tension string sets in my 900-1000gm lightweights and I'm not ready to go to the dark side using carbon fiber rod and heaver construction technics.

I built a pair of 666mm "Beasts!" and they are both vastly superior to my previous handful of guitars. Too many variables to say much concrete about scale length and the only flamenco player in town moved away before he could play one of the...

Finally able to get in the shop after the moose event for more then an hour at time and wrapping up the mothballed projects. Can't wait to start the next Flamenco build, something I sketched up last year, drew up in CAD, off the path for sure. Three guitars to shellac and prying it doesn't drop to -30f before I get them done. Shellac and the wood stove scares me ;) Also have a minion building a classical, trying for a heavy dens lining Brouchet kind of build.

It's good to be busy instead of laying around getting fat and playing four to six hours a day.

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doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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