Order of Palos

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Kaloguitarist

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Order of Palos

Hi All,

I had been away from flamenco for a very long time.

I started learning some nice solea falsetta's and compas via youtube videos.

I understand the structure of accent marks, compas and can play to a metronome and dr. compas

I will record a video to share with everyone...

My question is: Is it okay to study another palo while also adding more falsetta's n compas to solea? If so, what should I study next?

Thanks,
Kalo

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Ricardo

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

Bulerias is important. Tangos is good too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 31 2020 22:45:45

TonyGonzales84

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

Ricardo, thanks for answering -- I thought of you immediately. What order do you have a new student learn the palos in, i.e., one who's never had flamenco instruction?

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Kaloguitarist

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

Yes, thanks Ricardo for answering...

Tony that is a great questions as well..

Kalo

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Piwin

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

Peteneras.

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Ricardo

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to TonyGonzales84)

Solea starts it off, unless they like rumba I’ll start with rumba if they request it. Then buleria. Alegrias or tangos next. Siguiriyas and fandango. After that I hope the student is inspired to request specific forms or material they want to learn about.

Once the student gets the concept of keeping compas with strumming and simple falsetas, other forms can be worked on simultaneously. The idea is the forms are open ended and as new techniques and patterns are developed, the student replaces the old material with updated stuff as he or she advances.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 31 2020 23:31:45

Kaloguitarist

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

Thanks Ricardo!

I suppose I also need to learn more rumba as well.....I love all off it...

Kalo

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devilhand

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Ricardo)

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I’ll start with rumba if they request it.

Good for them.

quote:

Tangos is good too.

Starting 4/4 palos with Tango is good. Btw, tango rhythm in flamenco reminds me of one drop rhythm of reggae. One drop rhythm can be heard in many reggae songs. This drum beat resembles very much the tango dropping the 1st downbeat and accentuating the 3rd beat.

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Ricardo

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to devilhand)

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This drum beat resembles very much the tango dropping the 1st downbeat and accentuating the 3rd beat.

That would be 2 and 4 that are emphasized by the guitars (do I need to bring back rhythm dog?). Anyway, reggae, “good for them”.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 1 2020 14:39:25

chester

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Ricardo)

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do I need to bring back rhythm dog?

The answer to that question is always YES

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chester

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Ricardo)

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Once the student gets the concept of keeping compas with strumming and simple falsetas

I think this is a key point. Just from casually paying attention I see many people who can't stay in the pocket consistently attempt to play complicated pdl solo compositions.

Grooving is a universal musical thing -- can you be "funky" Kaloguitarist?

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devilhand

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Ricardo)

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do I need to bring back rhythm dog?

You can try. Can your rhythm dog teach us the one drop rhythm?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2020 17:47:00

Kaloguitarist

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

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Grooving is a universal musical thing -- can you be "funky" Kaloguitarist?

Chester, I totally agree with you 100 percent. Groove is a universal thing...It is everything especially in flamenco.

I would much rather be good at basic compas...Feel, and groove wise then play a fast picado...

I work with metronome and also Dr. Compas and work on it more than anything..

Kalo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2020 21:04:52

chester

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to Kaloguitarist)

I find it easier to work on things when they're simplified and separated.

I'm not sure how long you've been playing guitar but changing chords in the left hand, playing arpeggios/rasgeos with the right hand, AND keeping everything groovy is a lot to handle all at once.

To get better at basic compas, keep it...basic. You can start with just hitting the bass notes at the right times. Then maybe play around with the accents, maybe add an arpeggiated remate, one step at a time.

IMO it's better to sound awesome doing something simple than struggle through something complicated.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2020 22:49:03

devilhand

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RE: Order of Palos (in reply to chester)

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IMO it's better to sound awesome doing something simple than struggle through something complicated.

I read it here. Mr. Russell has a lot of good advice on his website. This is one of them.

http://www.davidrussellguitar.com/index.php/guitar/tips-for-guitarists/135-to-play-or-not-to-play

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