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Tom Blackshear

 

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Cure for Covid 19 

Infectious decease Doctor from Midland Texas has discovered a cure for the virus.




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 14:46:38
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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Infectious decease Doctor from Midland Texas has discovered a cure for the virus.


Whether this is a cure or not god help America with guys like this around

But Tom why Lutherie?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 16:05:50
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to flyeogh

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But Tom why Lutherie?


Why not, since the virus knows no boundaries. We are all exposed to it in some form or other.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 17:06:15
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

I'm personally quite skeptical of any claim of a silver bullet like that. But, if ever they can prove its efficacy through the right methodology, it would indeed be good news. I do worry for you guys in the US, with the numbers we're seeing. It doesn't seem to bode well. Stay safe and well.

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Many of the countries he cited also have a culture of mask-wearing to prevent disease spread, for what it's worth.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 17:48:44
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to flyeogh

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Whether this is a cure or not god help America with guys like this around


No kidding. Common refrain regarding budesonide, which is what this guy is peddling as a silver bullet based on say-so anecdotal evidence:

"When it comes to being used against COVID-19 one of the side effects of using budesonide that is most troubling is that this drug works by weakening the immune system, as such it could lower the ability to fight infections which could make one more likely to get a serious infection, or make any current infection worse as they are regarded as being immunosuppressive".

And from Inhaled corticosteroids: A rapid review of the evidence for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 , published on Jun 22, 10 days before this interview:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 17:54:31
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

Whether the tests run were the same as the Doctors technique used, I could not say except to relay his findings as a knowledgeable Doctor who knows his practice in this field.

There is a concerted effort by big pharma to create a very expensive vaccine, when the basic problem with it is to try and address the multiple mutations of its core, and how long that will take.

I would suggest you watch this report again.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 20:47:07
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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Whether the tests run were the same as the Doctors technique used, I could not say except to relay his findings as a knowledgeable Doctor who knows his practice in this field.


I appreciate that, Tom. I wasn't passing any judgment on you; however, I guess I am doing so on him. I read the entire transcript of the video (google provides it) as it is much faster than sitting through 30min in real time watching the video, but the point is I did get through all of the information in it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 8 2020 22:05:07
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

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I did get through all of the information in it.



Then perhaps you noticed that the Doctor used steroid addition to boost the immune efficiency for fast healing. I understand this due to my own chemo treatment for leukemia.

In other words this new technique associated with many proven years treatment for asthma medication could be a short cut which is very inexpensive for those who have little economy, for a quick healing process.

My hope is that the Doctor has something that could be thoroughly tested and found to work well. The article you read, I also read, and it left out some key ingredients to prove his prognosis. Enough said.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 4:31:44
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

I read it again, just to make sure I had not missed anything. Nope.

Well now that his unpublished paper is in the hands of Ted Cruz, who is going to give it to Trump, I guess this is America's process on healthcare issues these days.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 6:07:32
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

If it was that simple.. Hope is always good but some doubts are legitimate.
In Italy we have had some of these announcements at times but none of them proved to be totally reliable.
There are quite good therapies now, the most effective being the blood transfusion with plasma bags from people who have been sick and then developed antibodies.
I have to say that the situation in Europe is good, mostly because of a serious lockdown and better therapies but there is not yet a medication good for all.
I’m skeptic that an ashma treatment may be any effective in this case as the respiratory problems are just a consequence of a blood inflammation causing clusters at the bronchioles.
As a comedian said: I tighten up two things in my hand, one is hope...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 9:08:03
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

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Well now that his unpublished paper is in the hands of Ted Cruz, who is going to give it to Trump, I guess this is America's process on healthcare issues these days.


We not only have the Trumpsters and their band of science-deniers to worry about, there are already calls among the "anti-vaxxers" to refuse any Covid-19 vaccine that might be developed. Oddly enough, the majority of anti-vaxxers do not appear to be Trumpsters (although there are those); rather, they appear to be more on the liberal end of the political spectrum. Hotbeds of anti-vaxxer activity are places like Marin County, California, across the bay from San Francisco. Well-educated, wealthy, and ignorant. These are people who condemn those who deny human activity as a cause of global warming, yet they are just as much science-deniers themselves when it comes to vaccines. There is an Orthodox Jewish community in New York as well.

The anti-vaxxers claim that vaccines cause autism. It all started with the publication in the British medical journal "Lancet" in 1998 by a physician named Andrew Wakefield. He used a study of 12 cases to conclude that MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine causes autism in children. His study was later found to be fraudulent, riddled with skewed findings, and, most important in any scientific endeavor, could not be replicated by others. Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine and "Lancet" repudiated the study. Yet, the anti-vaxxer crowd continues to praise him and attends his talks which he still gives regularly.

The refusal of large numbers of Americans to wear masks and keep social-distancing among both the belly-over-the-belt-buckle Trumpsters with their side-arms and semi-automatic weapons, and the Millennials (who largely supported Bernie Sanders) at the beach and in bars, has demonstrated the degree of ignorance in this country. The anti-vaxxer crowd that has been lurking in the background will only add to the ignorance.

The display of ignorance is appalling and reminds me that we have not come very far from the 1925 Scopes "Monkey Trial" in Dayton, Tennessee over the teaching of evolution. Scopes and evolution lost, even though the fundamentalist/creationists were made to look ridiculous.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 16:21:59
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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But Tom why Lutherie?
quote:

Why not, since the virus knows no boundaries. We are all exposed to it in some form or other.

Tom, that’s gotta be the lamest excuse I’ve heard yet for posting something in the wrong section, lol.

My worst moment was when I suggested to someone that they post their review of a new guitar in the Product Reviews section instead of in here. My reasoning was that the person making the guitar was a non-member who didn’t contribute so why should they benefit from the traffic generated by those who do. The poster replied “Ummm, this is in the Product Review section?”

Oooops. I’m still embarrassed about that one, lol.

Regardless of where this sits, I look forward to the day when this stupid virus is nothing but a bad memory. What a write-off of a year it’s been.
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

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Whether this is a cure or not god help America with guys like this around


No kidding. Common refrain regarding budesonide, which is what this guy is peddling as a silver bullet based on say-so anecdotal evidence:

"When it comes to being used against COVID-19 one of the side effects of using budesonide that is most troubling is that this drug works by weakening the immune system, as such it could lower the ability to fight infections which could make one more likely to get a serious infection, or make any current infection worse as they are regarded as being immunosuppressive".

And from Inhaled corticosteroids: A rapid review of the evidence for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 , published on Jun 22, 10 days before this interview:





Thanks for shooting down this bull shyte so I didn’t have to.

Good old O2 helps people early on to fight along with vitamin C or any immune boost as Human immune system IS the only cure for virus once you contract it. Problem is it destroys the lungs in a way you don’t know you need O2 until it’s too late. Ventilator? It’s too late already. Vaccine is the trick and we have to wait it out till then. Wear a mask or take a gamble that’s all. I suspect this guy is assisting lung function and boosting immune quick enough to believe he is getting 100% results with the bogus drugs. He would see same results with an O2 tank.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 18:38:31
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

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I read it again, just to make sure I had not missed anything. Nope.


That's quite alright. Google report does not line up with his You Tube report.

People will believe what they want. So far the Doctor has had 100% heal rate. No loss of life.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 9 2020 20:17:48
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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So far the Doctor has had 100% heal rate. No loss of life.


According to him....

All of his "examples" are just that, anecdotal evidence at best. This is not scientific proof.

He mentions countries with low rates of infection and death, but the countries that have those low figures have achieved it by locking down "hard and early" (I was just reading this morning how New Zealand locked down when they only had 102 cases and no deaths, by comparison the UK didn't lock down until we had 6,500 cases and 330 deaths), and rigorous testing, tracing and isolating. They haven't achieved it by "silver bullets"...

I am reminded of advice to avoid scam:- if it seems too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true....

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to mark indigo

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According to him....


Let's say it was exactly as he described it. Even so - he is confusing correlation with causation on a very basic level, because 'two negative tests for covid19' after recovering is not in any way evidence that the virus destruction is due to his steroid administration.

What are patients supposed to do? - they either develop antibodies, fight the virus off and destroy it, and recover, or they don't. These are the two outcomes anyway - whether they take drugs or just ride it out. If he really did not have anyone die on him, he was just lucky, so far - unless proven otherwise, and the above is not that proof.

Anyone who recovers would have negative tests because the immune system succeeded. I might as well say anything that I did during my illness is the cause for my recovery. I drank water. My bed was perfectly aligned with the Earth's magnetic dipole. What the hell.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 10 2020 18:07:57
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to kitarist

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Anyone who recovers would have negative tests because the immune system succeeded. I might as well say anything that I did during my illness is the cause for my recovery. I drank water. My bed was perfectly aligned with the Earth's magnetic dipole. What the hell.


Konstantin, you have nailed it with the old "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy ("After this, therefore because of this").

Every morning the cock crows, and without fail the sun rises; therefore the cock's crowing causes the sun to rise.

Amazing how many people confuse correlation with causation.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 10 2020 19:31:27
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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People will believe what they want.


I hope not because this specific issue is absolutely not about belief....I believe.

Seriously if people tried out of dr x office and it failed, then it’s time sir to trash the idea yourself, as in right now, this exact moment, take the idea and put right into the trash can, now, immediately. Good day.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 10 2020 21:37:32
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Ricardo

Ricardo,

What I like about Dr Bartlett's treatment process is his claim of 100% cure rate with very little economic out go.

Perhaps there are other medical cures. What the Doctor stresses is to get a safe treatment early on instead of waiting for a vaccine that may take months to develop, be very costly, and run a high risk due to the virus's 243 variant forms.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2020 15:52:19
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

https://www.facebook.com/andrei.jewell/videos/3146333622113607/

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2020 16:14:40
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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What I like about Dr Bartlett's treatment process is his claim of 100%


What is there to like about it if when you try it out of his office it doesn’t work at all? Unless you plan to go to HIS office when you get it?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2020 16:18:28
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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What is there to like about it if when you try it out of his office it doesn’t work at all


I'm not quite sure where you are going with this

I gave some of my Doctor friends his information and they will take a serious look at it. Right now, some Texas Doctors are searching for a valid way to find the answers.

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

I´d like to add something entirely OT, that is not supposed to relate to this thread or any person in debate.

||Every morning the cock crows, and without fail the sun rises; therefore the cock's crowing causes the sun to rise.||

How anyone could be ignoring this is totally beyond me. :OD
- It reminds me so completely of the Cold War propaganda and its brain washed followers to this very day.

Besides to me personally, cocks crowing vastly starts in the night (around 4:00 or 5:00 am), whilst morning starts with the sun. Only that our clock scale won´t allow such allocation.

Still, to some folks 24:01 makes for a morning.

PS: Why are cocks "crowing" instead of cocking?
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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I gave some of my Doctor friends his information and they will take a serious look at it.


Tom that's good to know you have better connections than him.

quote:

Right now, some Texas Doctors are searching for a valid way to find the answers.


That's good to know. Here in the UK the guys at Oxford and Imperial are just playing around drinking coffee and waiting for a YouTube cheap TV practitioner to crack it

But that aside repeating over and over on a TV station and YouTube that you do not need to be scared of Covid is just plain irresponsible IMHO (regardless of his research).

I just hope he hasn't wasted too much of serious professional practitioner's time.

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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

The fact that he is claiming that these treatments are why Taiwan has had only 7 deaths doesn’t give me much faith in any other claims.

Now that said, nebulizing the inside of a guitar with steroid will definitely reduce inflammation of wood fibers and result in the top being able to push more air.
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Now that said, nebulizing the inside of a guitar with steroid will definitely reduce inflammation of wood fibers and result in the top being able to push more air.

Pump. Not push. Pump more air. Whole books have been written about this.
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Of course, Forgive me maestro. Guitars pump air, Ukuleles push
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Guitars pump air, Ukuleles push

And banjos ploink.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2020 23:28:09
 
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RE: Cure for Covid 19 (in reply to Tom Blackshear

I'd like to forget this but the repercussions just seem to me to be too many to ignore.

Here is a statement made by a medical student. I have no information about him beyond what he says. But when I read what he says I cannot find anything that contradicts him.

The reason I take this seriously is that I have family members who are very vulnerable and they lap up all sorts of YouTube stuff. I guess we all in a desperate situation get desperate .

(Let me caution that I'm a medical student in the US with a BS in Biology, so that's my background in advance, for any context.)
Budesonide is in the same class of inhaled corticosteroids (ICS) that researchers have been testing globally for months now. This man did not "find the silver bullet." He's mass publicizing scientifically backed, published information for his 5 minutes of fame.

I don't doubt that the medication works in certain cases, but if you read the research articles (released before he ever started talking about budesonide) it's scientfically proven to only work in very particular cases. It does not work on asymptomatic carriers who test positive, it doesn't prevent COVID-19, nor is it a cure-all for COVID-19. If you read the literature on UK published RECOVERY trials, which have been going on since March, they show that giving ICS to patients who are struggling to breathe and needing supplemental oxygen can reduce their risk of dying by 1/5. For patients who are on ventilators who start taking ICS, they can reduce their risk of dying by 1/3. That's the entire study that has been proven so far.
However there is a risk with ICS too. Basically, in everyday terms, ICS like budesonide, brings down your immune system response. So while that may help fight against COVID-19, it can make you more at risk for getting other illnesses. (So for all you people who keep going on about how the flu kills more people...if you randomly take budesonide and lower your immune system, you could be less strong to fight off the flu. And if you say the flu kills more, shouldn't you be concerned about weakening yourself against it! So don't do that! :] ) As is pretty much common knowledge now, if you go into a hospital, you are more likely to contract an infection, simply because you're so close to other sick people. So imagine if everyone in the hospital suddenly started taking a medication that severely brought down their immune system to fight off COVID, and then they continued sitting in a room with a bunch of sick people! That makes them more likely to get pneumonia, flu, etc. which all can kill them. That's a serious risk to take! So enough blaming doctors for not giving their patients this drug when they have no idea what the longterm effects may be!

And while he's at it, this man is spreading misinformation about other countries COVID-19 responses like Taiwan and Japan by saying they don't use masks, didn't shut down, and have been using ICS this whole time so we should follow their lead. But you can actually go online and look up that...
1) Taiwan started taking precautions against travelers in December 2019, and closed their borders in January 2020 even before news of Wuhan broke globally. In fact, they were the ones that followed up about a potential illness and sent researches to Wuhan to see what was going on. They then told several major countries that there was a pandemic-potential disease in Wuhan and everyone should be vigilant. So the shut-down things he says are NOT true.
2) They, like many Asian countries, have an entire culture dedicated to mask wearing and they wore masks on a regular basis prior to any sign of COVID-19 in general as a protective measure for all illnesses and to protect others from their germs. So the mask thing that he says is NOT true.
3) If you look into the research there aren't any articles from Taiwan that says that they use ICS on a mass scale to treat their patients. The most I have found from the 2 countries that this man keeps going on about in his examples, (Taiwan and Japan), is that there was a published case study in Japan with only 3 patients (not a controlled study, just an observation among randomly selected patients) that ICS improved their symptoms. The doctor who administered the medication and wrote the case study simply said that ICS needed to be looked into further because it may have potential as a medication. He himself admitted that the patients were all very different, had different degrees of improvement, and more. (PS You can look this article up with a bit of digging and read it, though it may not make sense without some medical background.) It's also been said that the Japanese doctors that published this case study have connections to companies that would profit from sales of ICS, but obviously I can't personally confirm that.


I'm sorry Tom to go on but lives are at risk here.

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