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devilhand

 

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Where are all these aspiring young classical guitar players on the foro?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 22 2020 21:50:48
 
FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

They are all here:
https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/

As I recall once reading from one of them: "Foro Flamenco is not for the faint of heart!"
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 22 2020 22:02:57
 
ernandez R

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

Well they chased me out of the Dellcamp, something about my strings being too low, my incomprehensible rhythm, and some old fart with glasses and sausage like digits complaining about saving the Delcamp from my busy fingers. /s Actually they tossed me out because my spelling is so bad.

Both websites compliment each other and plenty of helpful people on both. A number of flamenco builders hang out on the luthiery forum and I come across a couple of playing threads every once in a while. Many do both but some under different names.

There was a software change at the delcamp a few monthes ago which made it difficult for me to post photos so I kinda gave up and migrated over here. I still check on both a few times a day with my crushed foot giving me plenty of time :/

I had discovered both forums about the same time and I started a few build threads over there under the some name. There was an issue with logging in for the first time here on the foro and it took about six months for me to fuguir it out and trick both systems into playing together and letting me in. Wish I could remember what it was?

Over the last year I've thought about PMing Simon some ideas I had to make the Foro a more inclusive community. It's tough, I'm new here myself but I did do the obligatory one year lurk to get an understanding of the community and I've participated on a few aviation forums as a knowledge leader, Im also aware I'm the neophyte here on the foro.

Here is an example. When I was able to log in I wrote a longish introduction on the intro page. Crickets. Not a single welcome to the foro. Hmm, I'm fairly thick skinned and I'm way over the popularity contest part of my life but I have to tell you I did have a ting of regret. It wasn't a good sign. No welcome to the Foro, no what are your interest, I see you are a builder and a player, check out this thread or this tread... This person is really helpful with playing questions, this one has a lifetime of flamenco history to share...

It's a community but it doesn't build itself. It seems some key players have passed and left a big vacuum. I'm really not that leader and in RL am kind of an anti social hard ass, in my aviation world it was my way, perfect, or get the F out of my hangar. I am good with ideas and I'm not afraid to speak up. You will find if I post something contentious I'll often start with somethings depreciating about myself so I don't come off like some know it all nuwbe.

I'm not sure if Diablohands was being serious or sarcastic ( /s this helps) but I feel Sugovia drove a wedge between players of Spanish guitar for his own gain. Oy, Another flame suit subject for another time.

It's up to us. The Foro has a big online presence but I feel it could be so much more, not bigger but more valuable. I'm not the person to make this happen but I can be part of the family. On another Foro thread I wrote about a dream I had where I found some kid banging bularious on some cheap plywood guitar and I give him one of mine hoping to inspire. I guess what I'm asking is perhaps we all ask what we can give to grow our Flamenco community? Ricardo offered up half price lessons and adds content daily, Tom shares his lifetime of building experience, many others too. But what we need to do is make attention to the newest members of the Foro and get them hooked, make them realize we are a friendly, quirky, slightly dysfunctional family, who offers up knowledge and lifetimes of experience. They are out there only It's up to you and me to make them welcolm.

HR

ps. I'm laid up with a crushed foot and pain pills galor, dismiss anything that seems... drug induced :)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 2:07:15
 
RobF

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to ernandez R

HR, just enjoy the coming summer, stay healthy, and get back on your feet. You are welcome here!

Like you, I lurked before I signed up, but it was for more like ten years! Every time I’d come around and decide to join some seemingly minor skirmish between members would erupt into open warfare and I’d slowly back away, thinking “these guys are all nuts!”. But I’ve learned so much from this place over the years that when Simon came close to closing it a couple of years back I decided to get off the pot and try to contribute something, instead of just sitting quietly and only taking. It’s not always easy, there are great people hanging out here, but we do tend to speak our minds. I like that people feel comfortable enough with the place to do that, to me it’s a healthy dynamic.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 2:40:07
 
JasonM

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to ernandez R

ER, you think we just let in any payo off the street who we don’t know, especially from the classical barrio over at delcamp? it’s part of the initiation process to make sure your not a troll.

no one checks that section of the foro. I think we could probably consolidate the entire foro to just one discussion section at this point. It’s not like it was 10 years ago. Plus there is the Facebook group which thins out discussion here.

That is really cool that your into aviation. There was another member here that built planes. I got into a debate with him about fiberglass once. Cuz that’s what we do here. I used to tig weld on the side for marine work and always respected those guys in the aviation sector.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 3:18:42
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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They are all here:
https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/

As I recall once reading from one of them: "Foro Flamenco is not for the faint of heart!"

LoL. Something dramatic happened to him/her on the foro.
Google brought me to classicalguitardelcamp a few times in the past when I had a question about a left hand technique. Helped me at that time.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 11:21:16
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to ernandez R

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I'm not sure if Diablohands was being serious or sarcastic ( /s this helps) but I feel Sugovia drove a wedge between players of Spanish guitar for his own gain. Oy, Another flame suit subject for another time.

When I open this thread I want to start a serious discussion about what the title of this thread says. Is it really a fact or is it only Mr. Fisk's personal opinion?

As for the question I asked in this thread, I thought what Mr. Fisk said couldn't be true. If it were true, the foro would have already been flooded with a bunch of wannabe flamenco classical guitar players. But this doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe they're hiding and lurking there from underground.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 11:32:07
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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Solo flamenco guitar - a new trend in classical guitar playing


quote:

Where are all these aspiring young classical guitar players on the foro?


quote:

When I open this thread I want to start a serious discussion about what the title of this thread says. Is it really a fact or is it only Mr. Fisk's personal opinion?

As for the question I asked in this thread, I thought what Mr. Fisk said couldn't be true. If it were true, the foro would have already been flooded with a bunch of wannabe flamenco classical guitar players. But this doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe they're hiding and lurking there from underground.


I have no idea what all this is about....

I suggest you transcribe from the video verbatim exactly what he says that you want an opinion about and write it here in a post.

I think if you think this has ANYTHING to do with flamenco you have a loooooong way to go:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 11:58:06
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to ernandez R

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It's up to us. The Foro has a big online presence but I feel it could be so much more, not bigger but more valuable. I'm not the person to make this happen but I can be part of the family. On another Foro thread I wrote about a dream I had where I found some kid banging bularious on some cheap plywood guitar and I give him one of mine hoping to inspire. I guess what I'm asking is perhaps we all ask what we can give to grow our Flamenco community? Ricardo offered up half price lessons and adds content daily, Tom shares his lifetime of building experience, many others too. But what we need to do is make attention to the newest members of the Foro and get them hooked, make them realize we are a friendly, quirky, slightly dysfunctional family, who offers up knowledge and lifetimes of experience. They are out there only It's up to you and me to make them welcolm.


you are now officially the foro's welcome committee. Anyone posts an intro you can welcome them. problem solved....

(or maybe that should be a tongue in cheek )

I never did one of those intro's, i still find what and how much to say about myself online that can be viewed by unknown numbers of unknown people really weird. this is the first and only forum i have participated in, and it's only my total and utter obsession with flamenco that brings and keeps me here, not so much the "social" side, which has often been pretty anti-social... (I have gone AWOL a couple of times for 3-6 months after particularly bad interactions).

what i don't want to see is the foro becoming an all inclusive eclectic acoustic guitar jazz classical folk flamenco fusion forum.

(I used to get a what's on magazine when i lived in a big city and there were endless bands on the "vibrant" local live music scene that seemed to think the way to attract the biggest audience was to put as many buzz words and genre types as possible in their publicity hype, so every live band seemed to be an eclectic-electric-acoustic-folk-world-jazz-classical-punk-reggae-soul-funk-flamenco-hip-hop-trip-hop-flip-flop-fusion band - and they all sounded exactly the same kind of boring plodding pop-rock, like if you mix all the colours together you just get brown.....)

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devilhand

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to mark indigo

quote:

I have no idea what all this is about....

I suggest you transcribe from the video verbatim exactly what he says that you want an opinion about and write it here in a post.

I think if you think this has ANYTHING to do with flamenco you have a loooooong way to go

I didn't know how his tune sounds. I've heard it for the first time. But in this thread it's not about the piece he composed. In the video, he refers to classical guitar playing in general, starting from 1:39 onwards.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 12:19:39
 
Piwin

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to mark indigo

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I have no idea what all this is about....


Same. I can't figure out the relationship between the title of the thread and the content of the video. As far as I can tell, he's just saying that flamenco has influenced younger classical guitarists in the sense that they're experiencing a push towards "virtuosity", with a focus on speed and a wide palette of "wilder" techniques, which he sees as being important in post-PdL flamenco. I don't think he's saying solo flamenco guitar is a new trend among young classical guitarists. I'd imagine he's talking about how classical guitar compositions have evolved. But perhaps I misunderstood.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 12:32:17
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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In the video, he refers to classical guitar playing in general, starting from 1:39 onwards.


i need you to write down exactly what you think he says and post it here.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 14:13:19
 
RobF

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to mark indigo

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you are now officially the foro's welcome committee. Anyone posts an intro you can welcome them.


When I first joined the Foro I posted in that section and Piwin welcomed me. I remember thinking what a fine fellow he must be to be so gracious. Nothing I have seen or read of his since then has served to alter my original opinion.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 14:47:36
 
Echi

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

I see 2 aspects of the thing:
I think there is a good bunch of flamenco-fusion guitarists around.
The last works of Josemi Carmona for instance or Gerardo‘s or Chicuelo’s or even Vicente’s tierra are flamenco just in a wide sense.

On the other side there are some pieces of Riqueni or Sabicas or Franco which can easily fit in a classical guitar repertoire.
I don’t know exactly what Fisk meant but the borders of classical guitar music are getting thinner.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 14:59:26
 
RobF

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to ernandez R

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Well they chased me out of the Dellcamp...they tossed me out because my spelling is so bad.


There used to be a fellow on here who once spelled a word differently three times in the same sentence. He got along OK, he was a pretty entertaining character...but very creative in the spelling department.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 15:08:34
 
RobF

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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Wyhere are all these aspiring young classical guitar players on the foro?


I think, if you are referring to his generalization that many younger players today are tending towards and attracted to virtuosic performance and then refers to flamenco techniques as an inspiration for some of the aspects of his composition, it would be a mistake to assume every aspiring guitarist would naturally gravitate towards flamenco to satisfy their appreciation of virtuosity. First off, there is more to Flamenco than that, be it in guitar, dance, or cante, and, in my opinion anyways, people who are attracted to Flamenco for that reason alone are missing the point. Again, just my opinion.

There are so many genres that allow for virtuosity - jazz, rock, bluegrass, well , pretty well any genre, actually, so why single out Flamenco? I also think Fisk might be doing his students a bit of a disservice when he attributes a gravitation towards virtuosic performance to youthfulness.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 15:42:30
 
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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to RobF

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There used to be a fellow on here who once spelled a word differently three times in the same sentence. He got along OK, he was a pretty entertaining character...but very creative in the spelling department.


I'll never forget when Florian and ToddK were battling back and forth, and Florian's spelling was just all over the place... he kept calling him "todk" "tod k" etc. and the one that really cracked me up for some reason was "toodk"

The Foro has been through turmoil over the years and I think Simon has done an incredible job of moderating it, not trying to sanitize or over control things too much, and only delivering bans when things get really out of control. Now forums like this are dinosaurs compared to Facebook, etc. but this one is still going strong and I love it. I still think it's the best way to share information and discuss things online.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 15:50:55
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Andy Culpepper

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Now forums like this are dinosaurs compared to Facebook, etc.


Call me a dinosaur, Andy, as I much prefer the Foro to anything that might be on Facebook. In fact, I have never had a Facebook account, nor have I engaged in social media of any type, be it Instagram or other popular platforms. I find all I need in terms of flamenco right here on the Foro. And I have learned a lot, particularly from the luthiers. My long-time flamenco guitar teacher and good friend Paco de Malaga has taught me much in terms of technique and the history of the genre, but his efforts have been complemented by all that I have learned on the Foro. Long may it live!

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 16:24:33
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Andy Culpepper

quote:

Now forums like this are dinosaurs compared to Facebook,


facebook is so old, all the kids are on some other thing now (instagram? tiktok?) since their mums all got facebook accounts

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 17:24:25
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Echi

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ORIGINAL: Echi

I see 2 aspects of the thing:
I think there is a good bunch of flamenco-fusion guitarists around.
The last works of Josemi Carmona for instance or Gerardo‘s or Chicuelo’s or even Vicente’s tierra are flamenco just in a wide sense.

On the other side there are some pieces of Riqueni or Sabicas or Franco which can easily fit in a classical guitar repertoire.
I don’t know exactly what Fisk meant but the borders of classical guitar music are getting thinner.

Without knowing much about classical guitar music, I dare to say maybe classical guitar playing style is also developing towards flamenco.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 17:25:13
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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Without knowing much about classical guitar music, I dare to say maybe classical guitar playing style is also developing towards flamenco.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 17:26:14
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to RobF

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There are so many genres that allow for virtuosity - jazz, rock, bluegrass, well , pretty well any genre, actually, so why single out Flamenco?

Absolutely! I happened to read about a guy who transcribes metal rock music and plays it on classical guitar. He is a classically trained guitar player and he tried flamenco too. One thing is sure classical guitar music style is striving for a change. The following video is kinda funny and maybe represents the current situation of classical guitar playing even though it's his personal opinion.

https://youtu.be/SQK1mZ_k0dQ

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 17:33:58
 
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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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Is it really a fact or is it only Mr. Fisk's personal opinion?


Everything he says there is his opinion, and it’s a not well informed one. He is promoting his piece or whatever as per an unheard interviewer’s question...in other words he is promoting himself, or maybe selling the piece? Everything he says is pro that idea. About his opinions, I never understood the guy. It reminds me of a documentary about segovia where Oscar ghila and Fisk are interviewed briefly. He talks about (late 80s I believe) young players then having too much emphasis on technique and not feeling (the most cliched bs type thing we hear all the freaking time), then proceeds to demonstrate the Bach Dm prelude....EXACLTY like the young people he wrongly describes!!! I mean it stands alone for me as a singular performance of a technically challenging (for him) piece, executed zero feeling, zero rhythm zero dynamic etc. It was hilarious to me. But who am I to have an opinion?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2020 23:06:27
 
Brendan

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

Classical players don’t need to come to flamenco if they want virtuosity and top-tapping.

https://youtu.be/SOYPIJ68bhI

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2020 0:37:04
 
ernandez R

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to JasonM

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

ER, you think we just let in any payo off the street who we don’t know, especially from the classical barrio over at delcamp? it’s part of the initiation process to make sure your not a troll.

no one checks that section of the foro. I think we could probably consolidate the entire foro to just one discussion section at this point. It’s not like it was 10 years ago. Plus there is the Facebook group which thins out discussion here.

That is really cool that your into aviation. There was another member here that built planes. I got into a debate with him about fiberglass once. Cuz that’s what we do here. I used to tig weld on the side for marine work and always respected those guys in the aviation sector.



Jason,
Fiber glass sounds like fun :/

Out of airplane mechanic school I went right into advanced composites repair, I had been building carbon fiber model gliders which I flew in competition. I had the opertunity to fix some cool flying things.

I do dream of slipping some carbon tow here and there under sound bars and braces to stiffen up and add some magic. After a quarter of a of lifetime with the fibers and resins trying to poison me I'm not sure I will... but I'll never say never ;)

When I first found the Foro your build thread was the first I checked. Then I went back to the the begaining and would read a little each day. What a great way to learn, watching your missteps and your successes! Glad your first build came out so well.

I'm not sure if you use Rohcell structural foam in your world but I've had this idea of fabricating tops out of it with carbon simulating the hard wood grain and the foam the soft...

Won't drag this tread off topic any more then I've already have.

HR

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2020 2:20:22
 
ernandez R

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Andy Culpepper

I see these
quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper

quote:

There used to be a fellow on here who once spelled a word differently three times in the same sentence. He got along OK, he was a pretty entertaining character...but very creative in the spelling department.


I'll never forget when Florian and ToddK were battling back and forth, and Florian's spelling was just all over the place... he kept calling him "todk" "tod k" etc. and the one that really cracked me up for some reason was "toodk"

The Foro has been through turmoil over the years and I think Simon has done an incredible job of moderating it, not trying to sanitize or over control things too much, and only delivering bans when things get really out of control. Now forums like this are dinosaurs compared to Facebook, etc. but this one is still going strong and I love it. I still think it's the best way to share information and discuss things online.



I see these fixed forums as depositories if information other forms of social media cannot provide.
There are years, lifetimes really of playing and lutherie information that is erreplaceble. I've built eight guitars now with some succese based on the information gleaned from past build threads. I've been egged on to build better by members here and in the delcamp.

The F if B so just odd. I signed up about ten years ago or perhaps it was longer... anyway it was perverse how. Could look up people from my past, friends and enamys, without disregard to privacy. This was before Zuckerburg allowed one to make your information privet. After day three I deleted my page, and many times afterwords until I was successful. And never looked back. I hear it's a feaver swamp of disinformation and ding dongs the kind of which I can do without. I some who use it successfully and we have a business page that perhaps gives us some trade or at least allows the word to know we exest.

I started an Instagram page for my guitar building when the delcamp photo posting became problamitec for me and I like the non contentious non political nature of mostly just posting photos. It works for me and my world. My plan is to really market my guitars once I've built ten, I've still got a lot to learn in this a lifetime of learning luthiery.

HR

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2020 2:32:08
 
Auda

 

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Ricardo

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But who am I to have an opinion?


Having watched your Med. Sundance rumba video last night I am pretty sure your should know your thoughts carry quite a bit of weight.

Cheers
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Piwin

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to RobF

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When I first joined the Foro I posted in that section and Piwin welcomed me. I remember thinking what a fine fellow he must be to be so gracious. Nothing I have seen or read of his since then has served to alter my original opinion.


Aww shucks man. Thanks.

Sorry I missed your intro post @ernandez R and a belated welcome to you! I've enjoyed reading your various posts here.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2020 3:40:23
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to Ricardo

Fisk has often puzzled me. I hadn't heard this performance of the D Minor Prelude, but it's a good example of a puzzling Fisk performance. It seems like some kind of stunt. Does he really think that's the way to play it?

I think I have a CD of Fisk playing the Paganini violin caprices. I say I think so, because the CD shelves are downstairs, and if I do have it, I haven't listened to it for at least ten, maybe 15 years.

I remember another puzzling performance. Fisk was one of the featured performers at the International Guitar Festival in Cuernavaca, Mexico in 2000. To start off his concert he murdered a Bach piece, I don't remember which one, followed by a couple of other performances I really didn't like.

At intermission I groused about it to Kevin Gallagher, another of the featured performers. We had a few friendly conversations before that, maybe a meal or a drink with a group of people. I really liked Gallagher's playing.

Like the pro he is Gallagher wouldn't respond to any criticism of another pro. He just said, "I admire him."

"Why?"

"He has so much fun out there."

After the intermission Fisk played a very lively, modern, not particularly refined or serious piece "Notre Dame Blues" by Rochberg. It was a hoot.

My settled impression of Fisk: WTF????

Classical guitarists and flamenco? Adam del Monte played a concert here recently. I lked his classical playing. He played a very modern soleá, "dedicated to his teacher Pepe Habichuela."

Mak Grgic played some virtuoso classical duets with del Monte, and they did some flamenco duets, which were actually flamenco, at the modern end of the genre.

I enjoyed the whole concert.

On the other hand, there was a recent master class here by David Russell just before the coronavirus lockdown. All three students from Adam Holzman's University of Texas guitar studio were astoundingly virtuosic. So was Russell in his concert the next night. No flamenco at all.

For an encore Russell played a transcription of one of Albeniz's Spanish genre piano pieces: Cadiz? Sevilla? Not sure which at the moment, but it took me straight to Andalucia. As we stood up for the ovation, I turned to Larisa and said, "We're leaving tomorrow for Spain." She nodded and smiled enthusiastically. It wasn't flamenco at all, and wasn't meant to be. But it was quintessentially Spanish, more than I ever heard him play it before.

Russell and his wife ended up marooned in California for a while, then made it home I think. I haven't left Austin since then.

RNJ
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RE: Solo flamenco guitar - a new tre... (in reply to devilhand

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

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I'm not sure if Diablohands was being serious or sarcastic ( /s this helps) but I feel Sugovia drove a wedge between players of Spanish guitar for his own gain. Oy, Another flame suit subject for another time.

When I open this thread I want to start a serious discussion about what the title of this thread says. Is it really a fact or is it only Mr. Fisk's personal opinion?

As for the question I asked in this thread, I thought what Mr. Fisk said couldn't be true. If it were true, the foro would have already been flooded with a bunch of wannabe flamenco classical guitar players. But this doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe they're hiding and lurking there from underground.



Devilhand,

Lot of action on this thread you've started and your reply slipped by my pain meds soaked eye.

I watched the video and thought it was drivel without point or merit.

But, your next question's answer: aren't we all Flamenco wannabes? How many of us are Gitano? You?

I was raised by a cow milking then Ferrier father, as a child I cranked the bellows while my father hammered horse shoes into shape. We had real hungry times with almost zerro food in the house. Does this make me Gitano? Later we lived in a single mom ghetto called the Slatter slums. Does this make me Gitano? I grew up with horses and I learned to ride as a child. Does that make me Gitano?

Anyway, I believe we all have an essence of Flamenco inside us if we search it out and although I will never play flamenco puro I can beat out rhythm enough to make women want to dance and men sing.

I think the young you seek playing flamenco will not be found on any web forum or social media. You will find them on an untrodden beach or the end of a dusty road, a housing project most wouldn't dare, or perhaps panhandling in a small third world town.

I see Flamenco and Gitano less of a concrete definition and more of an emotional state. It can't really come from books or a utube site. The other nite I was banging along on my guitar and just got into this groove loosely based on a bularios and three finger rasgao. I was transported to a different mental state, ya I know could have been the Gabbapentin and hydrocodone. The next day the boss says to me how she had to stop what she was doing to listen to me because it sounded really good: that's Flamenco or rather a tiny taste of it, to take the cords and rhythm and structure and turn it into magic; like when Captain Jack Sparrow says what a ship is made of, all its sum parts, but what a ship is is freedom! That's it, that's what flamenco is to me, freedom.

Guess I can't really tell you were the young flamenco are...

HR

ps. glad you started a thread that led into so many discussions

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

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