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flyeogh

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Obsession with speed? 
An example: I’m playing Tangos. A Bflat chord (2nd/3rd strings 3rd fret, 5th at first fret) I do the normal idown-Ras-Ras-iup, followed by single notes - 1st fret 6th, hammer on to 3rd fret, open 5th with golpe. Followed with Amajor (2nd/3rd/4th on second fret) iup, ……… (tx Juan Martin )

I use this with base compass in Dminor and Cmajor as my fun piece to thunder along to. No metronome, with a beer or sherry nearby, and just let it rip. Can’t be serious all the time.

However, my prof suggested for a change playing instead of the three single notes just playing the sixth string at the 3rd fret followed by open 5th. Always up for a variation so I gave it a go. But then he says I can go quicker if I anchor my third finger on the 3rd string at fret 3. I point out that this is not great as my Amajor chord doesn’t use the 3rd fret . But he says I should use the flamenco Amajor with the 3rd at the 3rd (he's not a prof for nothing ).

I thought about this and how my online prof offers lots of chord progressions that use anchors quite a lot.

I can see all of these shortcuts (anchors adding additional stability) can assist when looking for pace but surely there is no point in going faster than you can complete the slowest change? The one with no anchor. The slowest left-hand change must surely limit the fastest pace you can play at?

Is there a Flamenco obsession with speed? Or is it necessary to push the land-speed record because that is what Flamenco dancers (as an example) demand?

So should I be continually looking for these anchors and if I don’t will I be 120 beats max for ever ?

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Ricardo

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RE: Obsession with speed? (in reply to flyeogh) 
It’s not about speed, it’s about allowing a fretted note to ring out continuously along with say an open string note such as high E. The longer the notes are sustaining, the prettier the phrase sounds. The guitar is an instrument that decays very quickly so any opportunity to trick people into hearing it sustain like a piano foot peddle, the better. Another cool trick is to play the last notes of a concluding scale on two different strings, allowing the minor second dissonance to ring out longer, like a harp or as I said a piano with sustaining peddle. In the end there is an art to fingering falsetas and things to find more interesting ways to give the illusion of sustain.

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flyeogh

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RE: Obsession with speed? (in reply to Ricardo) 
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It’s not about speed, it’s about allowing a fretted note to ring out continuously along with say an open string note such as high E.


Ricardo tx for that. And I can see how that would work, but in this case I think it adds nothing. But that might be me.

Maybe Moises just wanted me to vary it and his comment on speed was more a general thing in passing based on the stability an anchor can give. (My spanish is pretty good but even I can lose a subtlety here and there).

I need to look at more examples as I'm probably being a bit biased as I much prefer the JM version with three notes, the hammer on, and the golpe

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JasonM

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RE: Obsession with speed? (in reply to flyeogh) 
quote:

The guitar is an instrument that decays very quickly so any opportunity to trick people into hearing it sustain like a piano foot peddle, the better.


There’s a very cool pedal for that:
https://youtu.be/DEvMxy8r7Zk
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