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szvarga
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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to Brendan)
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Besides the previous posts about her attitude, I see some things a bit more tangible musically. For me, the magic of flamenco music is lies in technically simple melodies, even more simple harmonizations, BUT with amazingly creative ornamentations, and rhythmic creativity in a level hardly compares anything in western music. And with that melodic and harmonic simplicity, ornamental and rhythmic attitude, flamenco can tell very intense and deep stories. As I see, she does just the opposite. Playing no melodies at all, just put notes of phrygian mode one after another, without any melodic idea. She tries to make harmonization technically interesting somehow. Therefore, there is no space to ornament anything, or to make any rhythmic variations. And the final result is some music without telling anything. Nor intense, or deep, but nothing to tell at all. The only thing she can tell me is: "I can use phrygian mode, I can make music in 12/4, I can play 'flamencoish' phrases, but I have nothing on earth to tell which requires that phrases, or 12/4, or phrygian mode." Sz
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Date Jun. 23 2019 8:09:43
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Mark2
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RE: After SEVERAL MONTHS of study.... (in reply to El Burdo)
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I don't see it that way. A good teacher doesn't make the student feel stupid, but they also don't give them the false assumption that they know more than they do. They demonstrate through their expertise just how much the student needs to learn. Since this lady is such an accomplished musician, maybe she should have had a bit more insight based on the obvious amount of study she had done into other music. Personally I saw the video a few weeks ago, and had no reaction. But I don't care about flamenco played on a piano at all. quote:
ORIGINAL: El Burdo quote:
If she had an expert showing her the ropes, that video likely wouldn't exist. Yep. She would have been made to feel so stupid she wouldn't have done it. Result! In fact she has done a lot of these takes, Blues, Funk, Minimalist, Ragtime even. She seems to be a musical omnivore which maybe befits a graduate of Juilliard and the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto. She certainly has chops and rhythm to spare. The odd thing is, she uses the same left hand oblique groove figure in several of them. I also don't feel the snide remarks about trivial and self important blogs are fair - internet tech makes it possible and easy to post passing thoughts that have less value than Thomas Mann, say. But that is not what they're for - they are to be consumed, shrugged at and maybe liked. I doubt many would be diverted to flamenco puro from her thoughts but I doubt that was her intention. She seems to be doing plenty else of significance. It's the same thing that makes people want to post their thoughts on places like this. Why it wasn't remotely flamenco? I wonder that if a guitar could be played like a piano, the music would have sounded different? Yes. Do the restrictions on the playing of the guitar lead to a musical identity, yes. If she were to pause and hear what she had just played a bit more, then yes. Had she played less and felt more then yes. She looked at the compas, phrygian dominant and Andalusian cadence which are all significant. But if you were to tell a Martian to build four continuous vertical structures and three horizontal structures of the same size I doubt you would get a house.
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Date Jun. 25 2019 16:08:52
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