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JasonM

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Maria Conde 

My girl is on the cover of the StewMac catalog.

https://www.stewmac.com//StewMac_Print_Catalog.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=2019-05-gp&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_r3nBRDxARIsAJljleFUfyxH_yrf1KYzu5QlSC6RV8LP1Jhqf3QlkK9MV2RkGQ8vVTU-ydYaAuEQEALw_wcB


I’ve never even heard one of her guitars played online. Anybody heard or played one?
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

And StewMac doesn't even recognize flamenco or classical guitars as a category of guitars in their surveys.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2019 22:11:40
 
Echi

 

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

Well, I think the guys of Stewmac just thought ito make a nice cover
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2019 7:34:48
 
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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

Stew Mac is basically a steel strung guitar catalog even though they have tools that can apply to both steel and nylon strung instruments. Maybe the advertising is to appeal to a wider clientele.

I think Maria Conde does what she does for a side line more than as a professional manufacturer. Or perhaps she is being groomed to take over the shop later on when things change with the family.

As far as I understand it, much of the Conde brand is still made by sub-contractors.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 4 2019 0:50:12
 
JasonM

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to Tom Blackshear

In that Bloomberg video of her came out she was using stewmac tools I’m sure that’s where they got the idea.

I see her brother’s guitars for sale on Solera Flamenca but never hers.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 5 2019 14:01:50
 
Ricardo

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to Tom Blackshear

quote:

As far as I understand it, much of the Conde brand is still made by sub-contractors.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Conde brothers split in 2011 or so. Since then felipe and son downsized only producing two models each I believe. They claim to be the builders, the examples they showed me in 2014 were excellent. Mariano seeems to have a fake shop where he pretends to build.... the examples he had in 2014 were lower quality cheaper and more numerous. I have to conclude that felipe and son either building for real or outsourcing to the higher skilled craftsman. I missed a chance to try their guitars at NAMM 2018, simply because someone threw down 10k cash on the spot an hour before I could meet them at the hotel!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 5 2019 16:27:56
 
Echi

 

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

My 2 cents: both Mariano and Felipe downsized after the split of the Conde Hermanos shop in calle Felipe V and both the new shops are active.
The 2 new shops currently have the same set up: an official employee (in both case very good makers, people trained in Ramirez already working with the Conde brothers) plus the kids (Mariano Jr. trained in Mariano’s shop and Felipe and Maria in Felipe’s).
The parents run the business and the kid learn the job.
The 2 brothers keep the habit to outsource the A26 series guitars to the same luthiers who were them at the time of the shop in calle Felipe V and therefore the instruments are equivalent.
Probably it happened to Ricardo to try a bad Mariano’s as to me a bad Felipe’s but there is no reason why a guitar made in one of the 2 shops should play better: same quality, same plan, same people.
The employees in the shop make in both cases the premium models on behalf of Mariano Sr. or Felipe Sr.
The kids hare learning and effectively building but just few guitars per year (I have been told Maria does very few as she is studying).
The guy working in the shop of Mariano is as good as the other one in Felipe’s but Mariano sometimes uses the poor rosettes hand made by Mariano Jr. and some odd features while Felipe works more on the myth of the brand, by doing reissue models.
Mariano is just not as good with marketing as Felipe (who kept the main contacts of the old shop).
At the beginning, Mariano endorsed many good artists (Rafael Riqueni, Paco Cepero, Jesus Guerrero) but after a year or so, the main online shops pushed up the guitars made by Felipe and stopped selling those of Mariano.
Given the ratio price/quality, I’d rather go for an old Felipe V or an Atocha.
I honestly think they are better guitars.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 5 2019 18:12:14
 
JasonM

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to Echi

Are there any modern Conde plans floating around as of 2019? Or maybe a plantila outline? I know a lot of folks have done their own measurements here and there.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 5 2019 20:32:52
 
Echi

 

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

I once bought a plan on the bay. I don’t know how accurate it was as I didn’t use it and then lost it.
The problem here is that there are different periods, different makers and different guitars even in the guitars made in the Felipe V shop.
I recently saw a 1989 Conde with a very similar bracing of that one used in the modern Conde and a 1997 bracing more old style: both were A26 models.
My preferred guitars are those of the eighties and nineties, but this is just matter of tastes.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2019 9:09:22
 
Ricardo

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to Echi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Echi

My 2 cents: both Mariano and Felipe downsized after the split of the Conde Hermanos shop in calle Felipe V and both the new shops are active.
The 2 new shops currently have the same set up: an official employee (in both case very good makers, people trained in Ramirez already working with the Conde brothers) plus the kids (Mariano Jr. trained in Mariano’s shop and Felipe and Maria in Felipe’s).
The parents run the business and the kid learn the job.
The 2 brothers keep the habit to outsource the A26 series guitars to the same luthiers who were them at the time of the shop in calle Felipe V and therefore the instruments are equivalent.
Probably it happened to Ricardo to try a bad Mariano’s as to me a bad Felipe’s but there is no reason why a guitar made in one of the 2 shops should play better: same quality, same plan, same people.
The employees in the shop make in both cases the premium models on behalf of Mariano Sr. or Felipe Sr.
The kids hare learning and effectively building but just few guitars per year (I have been told Maria does very few as she is studying).
The guy working in the shop of Mariano is as good as the other one in Felipe’s but Mariano sometimes uses the poor rosettes hand made by Mariano Jr. and some odd features while Felipe works more on the myth of the brand, by doing reissue models.
Mariano is just not as good with marketing as Felipe (who kept the main contacts of the old shop).
At the beginning, Mariano endorsed many good artists (Rafael Riqueni, Paco Cepero, Jesus Guerrero) but after a year or so, the main online shops pushed up the guitars made by Felipe and stopped selling those of Mariano.
Given the ratio price/quality, I’d rather go for an old Felipe V or an Atocha.
I honestly think they are better guitars.


Sorry but my own personal experience tells me I have to disagree on all points except the marketing one. I got to compare guitars back to back one day apart in 2014. I played maybe a dozen guitars in Marianos shop...all new ones were surprisingly not high quality. He had better guitars in the “repairs” section, many old felipe V’s with damage. Most of those were just fine. The main problem with the half dozen or so new instruments in his shop were a very uncharacteristic heavy finish. They LOOKED great, but the sound was not what I am used to. There were no workers, only Mariano himself, sanding a Koa back guitarbox with no neck for the entire hour or more I was there. He showed us the basement area where he said his son worked....guitars at various stages leaning here or there, nothing actually being worked on except that darn Koa box that I thought he was gonna make a hole through if I stayed any longer. My american friend not used to the whole siesta thing asked “where are all the workers, on siesta???” . He had like hundred necks hanging from the ceiling and tons of wood stockpiled on the wall. It was a very large space, more like a Home Depot store feel than my friends Luthier workshops. In a glass case was a finished negra with NO LABEL!! A hand written sign in spanish taped to the wall read “if you think we don’t build guitars, come watch!”. If I had money I would have bought the discounted repaired guitar for sure.

Felipe and son the day before was a total different experience. I had already played the Felipe model blancas a couple of my students had and the one he brought to sanlucar in 2013. They were all good normal condes like I am used to. This time, last day in sanlucar at Gerardo’s class, the surprise guitar was Felipe jr, a cedar top negra. It was orders of magnitude better than every guitar in the class room (talking about condes, Reyes, Ruck, Ethan’s guitar, Felipe Conde sr, Marvi maybe?, tons of others) we were litterally passing em around the classroom one by one after hearing Gerardo use each one with the microphone first. I was impressed by Ethans’s guitar, however it was painfully obvious to me that Felipe jr guitar there was the superior thing. I talked to him about the details, he speaks perfect English as well. Very nice guy. If he was lying and didn’t build the thing, my hat off to whoever did. I asked him in 2018 at NAMM how his sisters guitars were and he said “they are ok...”

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2019 13:29:34
 
Echi

 

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

quote:

He had like hundred necks hanging from the ceiling and tons of wood stockpiled on the wall.

You see, when outsourcing to a journeyman it’s tradition to provide the rough materials (the pre- made rosette, pre-cut neck, top and back and sides).
As I said above, both the shops keep outsourcing but they also have an employee for repair work and to make the premium models.
José Romero (the maker) told the guys working in the shop of the Conde are very good.

Having said this, I don’t doubt that Felipe jr. brought with him a particularly good guitar.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2019 15:28:18
 
JasonM

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to Echi

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In a glass case was a finished negra with NO LABEL!!

The labels are outsourced and he ran out lol.

So that explains why he has all the guitar parts in the basement Maybe they are made in Valencia and then sent off as kits to the outsource shops
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 6 2019 16:17:54
 
Echi

 

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RE: Maria Conde (in reply to JasonM

The label is usually the last thing if the guitar is outsourced. The contractors are not given labels signed in advance, obviously.
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