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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix)
The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.
EDIT: pronation downstroke, s-UP-inatation UP stroke.... see below.
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.
I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke
Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist)
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ORIGINAL: kitarist
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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan
(Pronation: Hold you hand with the palm inward, parallel to your belly.. Rotate the upper arm so the thumb goes closer to your belly. That's pronation, supination is the other way.
My little trick is to think of supination being the one where you rotate your forearm so that one can pour 'soup' in the palm Sort of a homophone-based memory aid.
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to kitarist)
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ORIGINAL: kitarist
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.
I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke
Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.
Yes I got it backwards because you meant to say supination is to RECEIVE soup in your hand from another person POURING it who was using pronation.
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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ORIGINAL: kitarist
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The wrist motion is twisting using a “broken” or bent wrist position: supination downstroke, pronation upstroke. As opposed to sideways wrist motion as in up and down alternate flat picking using a flat wrist position.
I think the other way around - supination is upstroke. Can't pour soup into your palm after a downstroke
Good point about the wrist - however the forearm rotation along the long axis is still the same in both straight wrist and wrist at some constant angle relative to forearm, I think.
Yes I got it backwards because you meant to say supination is to RECEIVE soup in your hand from another person POURING it who was using pronation.
Damn, yes. Effing English, when will I get it right..
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix)
wow, I learnt some of that in private lessons with Ricardo.
Obviously you don't get to ask specific questions in video format which is the major advantage of private lessons, but, for beginners, it is great to get all that for $30 (probably with tabs which you don't get in private lesson :) ).
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo)
Big lurker on the forum and congrats to Ricardo for being on that elite guitarist platform. I think I will sign up for a month or so and go thru Ricardo's videos and also Tanaka seems to have some good ones for Rumba and Seguiryia also (for my beginner or so level anyways). I need to find a new motivation and I think these videos might be what I need at the moment.
Speaking of guitars, what's the story on Jose Tanaka's guitar? Who is luthier on that one as it has a unique look? It looks like it has been played more then a few times! (edit, found it through some search posted by Arash, Boaz Elkayam)
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to rombsix)
Gracias Ricardo for the Fandangos lesson video. I used it this morning for a Fandangos revision with my Jerez prof Moises. It led to trying various rasgueos. And incorporating the iras3 (pronounced e-ras as in spanish) as named by me, as opposed to ras3i, in Tangos and Sevillanas. Very useful .
The ires3 for sure gives a different feel. Sadly I now have a sevillanas to perfect by next thursday with my new rasgueo
And thanks of course to Ramzi for posting it.
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to flyeogh)
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ORIGINAL: flyeogh
Gracias Ricardo for the Fandangos lesson video. I used it this morning for a Fandangos revision with my Jerez prof Moises. It led to trying various rasgueos. And incorporating the iras3 (pronounced e-ras as in spanish) as named by me, as opposed to ras3i, in Tangos and Sevillanas. Very useful .
The ires3 for sure gives a different feel. Sadly I now have a sevillanas to perfect by next thursday with my new rasgueo
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RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Guest)
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ORIGINAL: rasqeo77
I might have another look at this now that Ricardo is on board. I signed up for a month when they first started but I found the lessons were too basic apart from the Antonio Rey pieces which were too difficult. The technique lessons from Antonio were good though.
Not sure what the other teacher content includes, but I will admit I was directed to teach specific things by the producer.... namely more basic material than I had planned (there are plenty of samples here already). Simply put they feel the more advanced material is not a big draw. I’m going back to LA do more lessons in May, probably do something a little more challenging this time. I admit I have gotten some private messages from some students that got a lot out of what I presented there, so the producers might be right about their ideas. If anybody are members here feel free to criticize or suggest anything, we can discuss it here.
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo)
Ricardo’s advice about feeling the fundamental rhythmic meter is probably the best piece of advice I’ve ever gotten in flamenco. Still took a while to sink in though but I finally had that epiphany moment!
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Ricardo)
I enjoyed your interview Ricardo. Your passion really stands out. It seems to me the great flamenco players just more or less play rather than the structured practice I have noticed in the classical genre. It reminds me of the Pepe Martinez video you had linked where he told about playing in his pajamas all night with, I believe, Montoya and then waking up in the afternoon to start playing again until they were to perform in the evening.
Anyway, I wondering what the piece is you played starting around the 3.20 mark. It sounds very familiar and I am interested in having a go at it.
RE: Elite Guitarist - Flamenco Track (in reply to Auda)
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the 3.20 mark
the plathuela, by paco de luthia. (just having fun : ending falseta of "La plazuela")
Cool interview!
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