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kitarist

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CITES to exempt non-Brazilian rosewo... 

Forgot to post this here (posted it on the delcamp site).

CITES is about to agree to exempt (non-BRW rosewood) musical instruments from Appendix II requirements at the next Conference of the Parties (the 18th CoP), May 23 - Jun 03, 2019.

This is a result of a proposal initiated jointly by Canada and the EU. Subsequently a consensus on the wording was reached at the Standing Committee meetings.

The way this works is through modifying Annotation #15 in Appendix II. That annotation lists exceptions to the requirements stemming from the inclusion of all rosewood in Appendix II (except for App I Brazilian rosewood).

Annotation #15 currently reads:






No doubt people here are familiar with the highlighted part - the 10kg exception for non-commercial exports.

The consensus proposal (pdf) before the 18th CoP, called CoP18 Prop. 52, modifies and expands Annotation #15. It reads(*):





(c) is now a new exemption for musical instruments, parts and accessories, and (b) has been modified from 10kg per shipment to 500gr per item of finished product. The rest of the exemptions are the same as before.

If, in about 45 days, this proposal gets accepted and becomes part of Appendix II - as it seems very likely for a consensus proposal - there are still some things to work out. Apparently one is to formulate a good definition of what a musical instrument is. However, I don't think there is any doubt that a guitar is a musical instrument under whatever definition; the details may be of more concern or consequence to makers of some very exotic instruments.

National jurisdictions would then need to modify their current regulations to match the change, to actually put it into legal effect. I don't see why that would take a long time.

It seems fairly soon, I'd say very likely within a year, the requirements on non-Brazilian rosewood guitars will be gone.

This does not affect blancas but would affect negras (as well as pure classicals with non-BRZ rosewood). No more worrying about documentations when you travel.

Note that the new exception for musical instruments, parts, and accessories is totally separate from the weight exceptions - if you have a negra, it does not matter what the total weight of its rosewood is, it is still excepted.


(*) If you can't read the pdf, go to Proposals for amendment of Appendices I and II - 18th CoP and search the page for "Dalbergia" or "Prop. 52".

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 5 2019 22:37:51
 
Echi

 

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to kitarist

The thing is that Braz. rosewood has been the main choice for bridges and head plates also for blancas and IRW negras.
Anyway this sounds as a very good news.
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gerundino63

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to kitarist

I am sorry for my bad english especially on law-subjects,

Do I understand that a brazilian rosewood guitar is stil a no-go, but parts brazilian used on an india palisander, or blanca becomes ok?

If you have problems with the Dutch language I help you out ok? 😉

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kitarist

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to Echi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Echi

The thing is that Braz. rosewood has been the main choice for bridges and head plates also for blancas and IRW negras.
Anyway this sounds as a very good news.


Any trade in Brazilian rosewood has been a no-go since 1992, when it was put on Appendix I. For that reason I have not looked at its details, so while I was assuming that no part made of BR rosewood is allowed as part of a guitar, maybe this is not quite true. Are you saying that even now blancas and negras, i.e. made post-1992, have BR rosewood parts and no one has had trouble moving/selling such a guitar across state lines? There is also a difference between what is allowed and what is "caught" or enforced. So I don't know how to answer this without doing more research.

However, my post was just about the other rosewoods, which were put a couple of years ago on Appendix II list, making it necessary to obtain various certificates even for personal travel with your guitar. These requirements are the ones that will be gone soon if the proposed amendment is accepted, as it seems very likely.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2019 16:26:34
 
kitarist

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to gerundino63

quote:

ORIGINAL: gerundino63

I am sorry for my bad english especially on law-subjects,

Do I understand that a brazilian rosewood guitar is stil a no-go, but parts brazilian used on an india palisander, or blanca becomes ok?

If you have problems with the Dutch language I help you out ok? 😉


Not quite; see my post just above. There are two issues here, and I was only updating the foro on one of them - about guitars with non-Brazilian rosewood which will no longer require, if the proposal is accepted this May, various certificates that are currently required even for personal travel, as well as for trade.

Also, I definitely have big problems with Dutch but it is a lower priority to sort out than Spanish, say.

Cheers!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 6 2019 16:32:03
 
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JasonM

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to gerundino63

Well lawyers go to law school to learn how to write ambiguous statements.

I wonder if this means rosewood guitar parts will be exempt - up to 500grams or 17 ounces
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kitarist

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to JasonM

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ORIGINAL: JasonM
I wonder if this means rosewood guitar parts will be exempt - up to 500grams or 17 ounces


If you mean non-Brazilian rosewood - ANY parts or accesories for guitars, as well finished guitars, will be exempt completely - no weight limit. The new weight limit of 500gr is for non-BR rosewood which is not in a guitar, and is not a guitar part or accessory - so e.g. wood samples or non-guitar objects.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2019 15:38:58
 
kitarist

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to JasonM

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

Well lawyers go to law school to learn how to write ambiguous statements.




Well, that's them using their tools for evil. They are certainly capable to be perfectly clear (the good ones - you wouldn't believe how many crappy lawyers there are).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 7 2019 15:41:22
 
kitarist

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RE: CITES to exempt non-Brazilian ro... (in reply to kitarist

UPDATE: This exception from CITES requirements for non-Brazilian rosewood was agreed-to and is going live as of November 26, 2019:





For details, including definitions of 'musical instrument', and parts and accessories, see this notice (pdf): https://cites.org/sites/default/files/notif/E-Notif-2019-052_.pdf

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