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RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
lol that's not a plane I'd want to be on
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I just discovered her. She's from Jaen and won so many awards according to this website. No use of autotune. She's real. Is she the next Paquera de Jerez?
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So what? She can sing alegrias in purest form if she wants to. I have to admit my knowledge of cante is limited. But I think what she's singing there was a slightly personalized or revised version of alegrias or a mixture of both traditional alegrias and her interpretation. I would call it creativity or originality.
RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to devilhand)
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So what?
You're welcome.
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She's in a few reggaeton videos, but then some her flamenco videos have 20 million plus views. I suppose that's one way of exposing a wider audience of younger latin people to flamenco.
Her voice doesn't stand out to me like some former flamenco pop singers from the past, it doesn't have that bite to it, but if she's promoting flamenco to a wider audience that's a positive thing I guess.
Flamenco is unfortunately mostly dead anyways, its on a ventilator and the oxygen levels aren't improving
Here she is doing some flamenkito styles more from my generation with Nina Pastori..no auto-tune or rapping..still cheesy though
RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to devilhand)
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Manolo Franco accompanies her.
I am certainly not the most qualified person to criticize anyone's singing, but she sounded especially weak to me in the granaína video. She may develop to be a great cantaora but to my ear she is having difficulty mastering breath control, which is really critical for the melismas and vocal ornamentation of flamenco cante. She sounds "off" on the really technical stuff compared to a great cantaor(a) like the video Ricardo posted. I enjoyed the tangos but again she didn't seem to have the power or accuracy comparable with some of the greats. You can looks at Estrella Morente for a more "pretty" style, but she is technically flawless where Toledano is not. Obviously I am being overly critical just to point out why she is no Paquera de Jerez (yet) but I'm not saying she is BAD because I did enjoy her cante, plus what do I know. I'll leave it to people like Ricardo and Morante to say things like that
RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to devilhand)
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if she wants to
Apparently she doesn't want to. Rayito could probably become a world-class flamenco guitarist if he wanted to. But he doesn't, so he isn't. Israel Galvan could probably be a top-name in traditional baile if he wanted to. But he doesn't, so he isn't.
You're always coming in here with strong opinions about who is "real flamenco" or "authentic flamenco". At the same time you put penas in Spain (or sorry, IIRC it has to be specifically in Andalucia for you) on a very high pedestal. It's just funny that every time you present a performance as "real flamenco", etc., it's always a performance that would not garner any particular praise from many of the people you put on a pedestal.
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RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
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ORIGINAL: Andy Culpepper
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Manolo Franco accompanies her.
I am certainly not the most qualified person to criticize anyone's singing, but she sounded especially weak to me in the granaína video. She may develop to be a great cantaora but to my ear she is having difficulty mastering breath control, which is really critical for the melismas and vocal ornamentation of flamenco cante. She sounds "off" on the really technical stuff compared to a great cantaor(a) like the video Ricardo posted. I enjoyed the tangos but again she didn't seem to have the power or accuracy comparable with some of the greats. You can looks at Estrella Morente for a more "pretty" style, but she is technically flawless where Toledano is not. Obviously I am being overly critical just to point out why she is no Paquera de Jerez (yet) but I'm not saying she is BAD because I did enjoy her cante, plus what do I know. I'll leave it to people like Ricardo and Morante to say things like that
To be fair that guy Platero is one of the few that took the traditional version and significantly enhanced it not in just a personal way, but perhaps along the same lines as the creator would have. Plus he’s got tons of juice and expression. His entire program was focused about the unsuccessful no names that totally kick ass in the art world.
But to be fair to the girl, she is doing fine at copying the recording. She needs to raise the key and work on expression, projection... but honestly it’s clear that’s not her. She has the pitches but no juice, so it’s just a pretty song I guess. It’s the equivalent for me of these opera musical theater ladies that have crossed into power metal singing. They often lack the metal edge that a Whitney Houston would instead have delivered in that context, that juice. It’s taste and subjective of course, I’m sure that there are aficionados totally unimpressed by Platero. Anyway here is the original creator doing it for comparison.
RE: Rosalía “El Mal Querer” (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
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she sounded especially weak to me in the granaína video.
I think it has something to do with the way (recorded from a distance) and where it's recorded. Even Manolo's accompaniment sounds thin. To me, it sounds as if it was recorded in a big indoor swimming pool or a bathroom.
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