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Paul Magnussen

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Flamenco banned in Valencia? 

My friend the guitarist Rafael Montilla (“Chaparro Hijo”) has posted this photo on Facebook, saying “Ningún arte puede ser tachado ni menospreciado. Que vergüenza de pais.”

There are several disgusted comments, with angry emojis.

I can of course ask Rafael to elaborate; but before I do so, is this common knowledge? Is it old news? Or am I misunderstanding something? An internet search for Valencia and Flamenco still shows many tourist flamenco shows advertised…



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2018 16:54:11
 
edguerin

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

It's a campaign against "clichés about Spain".
Here's an article about it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2018 17:25:48
 
Piwin

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

http://www.fprj.es/es/comunicacion/a-proposito-de-nuestra-campana-de-publicidad/

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2018 18:16:10
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Piwin

Thanks, folks. So they’re against not only Flamenco, but all the things that bring tourists to Spain in thousands.

I wonder what mastermind came up with that idea?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2018 18:51:05
 
Moloko

 

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

is Flamenco being a spanish cliché a bad thing? I mean, here in Brazil our cliché is football and prostitution, haha. I guess different people complaint according to its own standards.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2018 20:24:49
 
Filip

 

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

In their official statement (the link that Piwin put), they are explaining that all they want to do is outline that Spain is also recognisable in the world for its science, technology and entrepreneurship, and that all the things they mention in their ads (flamenco, paella, playa etc) distorts this image; and that they are not against flamenco of for banning it.
Very stupid campaign if you ask me.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 7:40:53
 
edguerin

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

Yeah, like I'm all for banning fish'n chips, tea, and Bovril (as well as Marmite).
Or Lederhosen, Cuckoo-clocks, Sauerkraut, and yodelling.
Not to forget baguettes, frogs-legs, foie-gras, and accordions ...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 17:00:34
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

quote:

Thanks, folks. So they’re against not only Flamenco, but all the things that bring tourists to Spain in thousands


Valencia (and other regions of Spain) had better think twice before downplaying flamenco, paella, las playas, and other elements that draw tourists to Spain. According to the Spanish banking and investment firm Caixa Bank, tourism represents 16 percent of Spain's GDP.

Businesses and investors are well aware of Spain's scientific, technological, and entrepreneurial expertise, such as it is, and will not be deterred by the so-called "cliches" of flamenco, paella, and playas. Tourists, however, do not visit Spain to tour cement factories, machine shops, and lens polishers.

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 17:01:27
 
Arash

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

which genius came up with the idea for this campaign?
make sure if you ever need a good campaign, don't hire that person

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 17:42:10
 
Piwin

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Arash

If you want a good laugh:
https://www.elnacional.cat/enblau/es/television/toni-canto-valencia-publicitaria-anuncio-flamenco-topicos-espanoles_324870_102.html
Funny how these things ripple into directions you wouldn't have expected.

FWIW, I showed the picture to a group of non-flamenco friends last night. A fairly eclectic group but mostly people in highly-qualified jobs (exactly the kind of people who'd care about the Jaume I awards). Out of a dozen people, there was only one who interpreted the ad as being against flamenco. Most of them thought those reacting strongly to it were being oversensitive and seeing a slight that just wasn't there. One argued that this was just a way for artists who have basically zero relevance in most of Spain today to grab a bit of attention. The "siesta" one got the most laughs. There was a fairly broad consensus that their own expertise wasn't valued abroad and that the main reason they get any business from the rest of Europe is because they're cheap, which led to a long discussion (commiseration really) about how ****ty the Spanish economy is.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 20:50:58
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Piwin

quote:

There was a fairly broad consensus that their own expertise wasn't valued abroad and that the main reason they get any business from the rest of Europe is because they're cheap, which led to a long discussion (commiseration really) about how ****ty the Spanish economy is.


Spain's overall unemployment rate is 15 percent and it's youth unemployment rate is 35 percent, which makes one wonder why the Spanish decided to accept illegal immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa crossing the Mediterranean from Libya. The other European countries along the Mediterranean litterol have stopped accepting them, which is the only way to stem the tide of illegals from Africa. Perhaps Spain's Socialist Prime Minister, Pedro Sanchez, is angling for a place among the virtuous.

Bill

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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 22:19:08
 
JasonM

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to BarkellWH

Wow 35%. Does that include recent college graduates? I would imagine it’s possible to find a job in Madrid or Barcelona. Elsewhere probably not so much.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2018 23:19:42
 
Leñador

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RE: Flamenco banned in Valencia? (in reply to Paul Magnussen

It is kind of a sad state of affairs. It's fairly obvious that young people are fleeing the little cities and heading for Madrid, Sevilla, and Barcelona. When I was in Jerez for the festival you could tell when it's not festival time the average age there has to be above 60.

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