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JasonM

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Lining choices 

Have any of you experimented with different types of lining for joining the top ?

From what I read in an article about steel string acoustics, sustain increases as you go from traditional tentalones to kerf, kerf to inverse kerf, and finally the most sustain coming from laminated solid lining. Of course for flamenco that might not be desirable. What are the benefits of tentalones anyway?
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Lining choices (in reply to JasonM

Tentalones? I thought they were peones.

I have used basswood, Spanish cedar, western red cedar, and spruce--all with good and indistinguishable results. I use a solera that is dished, so I think kerfed or solid strips would not fit as well as individual blocks. If the glue blocks are placed with no gaps between them, the result must be pretty similar to solid linings. But I have tried gaps and no gaps and haven't noticed a difference in sound. I prefer no gaps to avoid roughness that will collect dust.

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Lining choices (in reply to JasonM

http://www.foroflamenco.com/printable.asp?m=148598

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RobF

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RE: Lining choices (in reply to JasonM

I’ve heard them referred to as tentalones, dentilles and peones. I never know what to call them (or how to spell them, for that matter).

The build process and gluing method has an impact on this. If the guitar is made face down the use of peones allows the sides to be glued to the top without clamping. If solid or kerfed continuous liners are used they are generally attached to the sides prior to gluing the sides to the top as clamping a continuous liner to both top and sides at the same time could prove to be difficult.
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JasonM

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RE: Lining choices (in reply to constructordeguitarras

Ethan, thanks for sharing your experience. Yeah, I don’t know what the common name is for the blocks... pawns/farm workers. That’s interesting about gaps vs no gaps and wood type. I had read that thread you linked to before posting. Seems the type of wood used matters less than the type of lining.

Rob, that makes more sense to me now regarding dome fit and clamping. For a dome that only covers the lower bout it might be more tricky - not to mention fitting a laminated lining. Think I’ll stick with pawns first time around then.
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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Lining choices (in reply to JasonM

Don't forget about the main benefit of tentalones - the fact that it doesn't matter if you have gaps between the side and the top

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