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etta

 

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prejudice against USA guitars 

Is there a prejudice against guitars made in the USA? I sense that this prejudice is stronger against flamenco guitars than against classical guitars. There are lots of great American builders but still the big money goes to Spanish made guitars particularly the so-called "vintage" types. I have yet to play any of the "vintage guitars" that are very impressive.
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Echi

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

My 2 cents:
USA or Europe doesn’t make difference. Is there any prejudice to Italian/French/German/English makers of flamenco guitars? I don’t think so. A good guitar is a good guitar.
Names like DeVoe, Ruck or Canin etc. are well known also in Europe.
The thing is that it’s hard to find American flamenco guitars (other than DeVoe) here in Europe and
as a consequence there is not a good market. There is not a good market for the flamenco guitar in general.
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Fred Klinge

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

I own an Ethan Deutsch Negra and it's an outstanding guitar....right up there with the best of the Spanish guitars. Granted my experience with top Spanish-made flamenco guitars is limited, but I have had the opportunity to play a few...

There are some outstanding flamenco guitar builders all around the world, including Mexico, the U.S., and Canada, but historical traditions/preferences are hard to change.
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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

There is simply no comparison. The foreign builds (non spanish), even in Europe, simply copy the Spain models. Anyway a German Hauser is more valuable than most Spain built guitars of same era, so Price and market are not the issue really.

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Leñador

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

I feel like if that prejudice exists it's more among collectors than serious players.....Which is probably the lions share of the market(collectors)...........

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tri7/5

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

I don't sense any. There's great guitars everywhere however you have far more luthiers and players in Europe so more to choose from and greater selection. As a buyer I wouldn't want to pay for importing a USA guitar with more taxes thrown on top (taxes are already high with VAT) than just buying local per-se.
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12850bd

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

Its all about the character of the guitar. Many guitars made in USA are actually build better from a structural /tuning/finish point of view..BUT they can rarely capture the character of the good flamenco makers in Spain. Thats not to say that all the Spanish ones are good or that there arent good examoles of ones made in USA. But the character is essential to the soniquete of flamenco
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RobF

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to 12850bd

Sounds like marketing to me.
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Echi

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

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Many guitars made in USA are actually build better from a structural /tuning/finish point of view..BUT they can rarely capture the character of the good flamenco makers in Spain

I think You could make the same general statement of any European or Japanese maker not strictly specialised in flamenco guitars.
I could say the same for Italy or France for instance.
A good number of makers based in USA have a worldwide reputation for their flamenco guitars though.
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Arash

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

I assume your thoughts come from the fact that your guitar (in the other thread) seams to be hard to sell. There are different factors a buyer might consider when buying, one of them might be resell value. To be honest, I never heard this luthier "Michael thames", so in order for somebody to be willing to buy it, buyer would probably want to play it first and really really like it. On the other hand, something like a Sanchis, you pretty much know how it feels and sounds, and less risky to buy without playing it first... and you pretty much know it is easier to resell if you would want to or need to. It is not so much "vintage" or something like that.

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estebanana

 

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

The VAT taxes and shipping internationally is a big factor.

I don't think there much predudice now, it's mainly ease of availability; difficulties of European dealers and American makers to connect and to connect with customers. It's not practical when EU based products are closer and fall inside trade zones of the EU.

In contact with European dealers I get a lot of enthusiasm and good feedback. But the price range has to justify the shipping and tax barrier be overcome to stock a lot of American guitar product.

Attitude wise I don't perceive predudice, practical to trade incentives to work with Spanish products.

Upper tier imports to foriegn markets justify the cost of tarrifs and shipment. But most of the market for entry level guitars and good playing product is the under 3000 US dollar range.

The next bracket is guitars over 8000 US and the third bracket is 12,000 to 20,000 and above.

The latter market is exclusive and the customer plays and wants what they want. They will pay tarrifs and shipping as part of the game. They don't have predudice as much as they have cultivated certain likes and dislikes and collect across international tastes. Some are also top level pro players who need access to certain instruments no matter what the costs.

Level two also warrants international trade because it provides the committed player it collection maker with international products.

The under 3000 market is big, but doesn't warrant the trade because the dealer loses money after all the work is done. Local trade makes that market work, or very low bulk wholesale prices for big dealers.

The dead zone is 3000 to 7000 US dollars- most guitars are in this range. Oddly it's the most difficult market. But it's the market for builders. It's difficult for a builder to make money in this range unless they deal one on one with commission. Dealers put in as much work selling a 10,000 dollar instrument as they do a 6,000 $ instrument be and there's import tax and shipping in internationally traded guitars.

Predudice may exist, but much of it is enabled by trade barriers. The Spanish however did invent the thing, and to they know what they are doing. Especially in the regions with intact schools that have continuity with the past makers.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: prejudice against USA guitars (in reply to etta

Prejudice usually comes from lack of first hand exposure to examples contrary to one's viewpoint. Artists are generally open-minded and happy to try good guitars from foreign makers, but I've met some who still had a little prejudice, possibly for good reason based on limited experience.

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