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piezzo 

hi . I'm playing in a jazz band with 4 saxophones. for the moment I play with an electric guitar . But I don't like it , and I want to bring a light flamenco fusion touch.
so for the rehearsal I need to be amplified. a friend told me piezo system is the easiest way.
ok but with one? me guitar cost around 400 euro so I don't want to put too much neither.
if the microphone should be without batteries better. ps I'm carpenter so I can do the hole.

thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 27 2018 17:49:43
 
Ricardo

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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

Fishman problend is still the best

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 28 2018 17:38:41
 
Leñador

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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

For about the same price as his guitar lol
LR baggs anthem is pretty good but still $200, straight piezo sucks, you’ll sound like a duck. Piezo internal mic blend is your only hope to not sound like a migrating aquatic bird.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 28 2018 17:47:08
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

ok the fishman should be good but really too expensive. i will look for the lr baggs wich if it's my only way (a little more expensive than expected). duck have a funny noise but can't imagine what should give on my guitar

thx for the answer.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2018 8:42:01
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Leñador

Add a tone dexter and you'll improve the sound of a pickup a great deal. You use a mic to train the device and then it adds in the frequencies that are missing from the pickup but that are captured by the mic, giving you a sound much closer to a mic. But it's another thing to buy and set up. It doesn't sound as good as a mike but is a huge improvement over a piezo. So, you get some tone back with the volume a pickup can deliver. It amazes me all the nylon players using piezos and just sounding like crap. The Gipsy Kings are guilty of this outrage on a regular basis. Funny thing was when they first broke they used mikes and all those guitars, including the lead player's, sounded great.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 29 2018 17:01:03
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

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tone dexter

Very interesting, have you used one of these??? I can only find steel string players reviews.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2018 0:06:20
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Leñador

Yes, I have one. I have used it at gigs as well. There is no way it sounds as good as a mike, but if you need to play with other instruments in a band type setting, it's a way to get the volume you need while retaining some semblance of a flamenco tone, something which, IME, is almost impossible with a piezo. It's really clear to me that many people don't care about producing an amplified tone that has anything to do with what a flamenco guitar can produce because you see all kinds of folks quacking away. To be honest I have been forced to quack my way through many many gigs. It was a struggle that has been, at least to some measurable extent, eliminated.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2018 16:23:00
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

Nice! Yeah the videos online are pretty impressive. I don’t really have a need for it as I never play with loud bands but I really want one....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2018 17:21:33
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Leñador

That's funny. I know the feeling. I'm not a jazz player but I like studying jazz concepts and tunes. I bought a knockoff jazz guitar a few years back but wanted a really nice Gibson 175 or something similar. Since I'm a lefty those opportunities are few and far between, but low and behold, last week there was a Gibson L5 lefty on ebay. That guitar could have gone for over 6k easy but it sold for 5,100. My high bid was 4,400. If I'd have REALLY wanted it I needed to bid 6k. But I don't really need it, just like you acknowledge you don't really need the tone dexter. Truth is I didn't either but I struggled so many years playing with a group(just under 20) that I just WANTED it. Done a just a few gigs with it. It will likely gather a fair bit of dust, but hell, I just saved myself 6k!!


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ORIGINAL: Leñador

Nice! Yeah the videos online are pretty impressive. I don’t really have a need for it as I never play with loud bands but I really want one....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2018 18:19:33
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

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Done a just a few gigs with it. It will likely gather a fair bit of dust, but hell, I just saved myself 6k!!

I do that too, "Because I didn't buy this, I can totally buy that!"

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 30 2018 21:30:44
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

I was going to buy Kieth Ellison's 185 foot gin palace yacht, but I said Nah, that set of swim fins and goggles looks better.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 4:39:58
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Mark2

Ive learned to love the quack along with benefits of volume and balance and no feedback headache

https://youtu.be/LiM716uuklI

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 7:44:24
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

It's like piezoelectric vs. 50 knives and forks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 8:46:46
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to estebanana

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I was going to buy Kieth Ellison's 185 foot gin palace yacht, but I said Nah, that set of swim fins and goggles looks better.


And a lot cheaper to run too... no berthing fees, maintenance, crew or fuel costs.

Can't take much with you, though I once managed to carry a small packed lunch, drink and some cigarettes on a swim to a rock just off the coast in the South of France.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 9:36:57
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

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Ive learned to love the quack along with benefits of volume and balance and no feedback headache

That’s piezo?? Pretty dialed in! The again I’m listening through a cell phone....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 16:39:04
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Ricardo

That sounds about 1000% better than 99% of people using piezos. Hard to find the quack there. I have noticed that when you play a large venue with good sound techs, it can work to an extent, but I think you've done a great job with your sound on this vid. Is it straight piezo?



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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Ive learned to love the quack along with benefits of volume and balance and no feedback headache

https://youtu.be/LiM716uuklI
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 17:20:51
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Mark2

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ORIGINAL: Mark2

That sounds about 1000% better than 99% of people using piezos. Hard to find the quack there. I have noticed that when you play a large venue with good sound techs, it can work to an extent, but I think you've done a great job with your sound on this vid. Is it straight piezo?



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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Ive learned to love the quack along with benefits of volume and balance and no feedback headache

https://youtu.be/LiM716uuklI


Pure piezo on this Córdoba straight into board no EQ ... not even the pro blend which sounds even more natural on my other plug in guitar. I admit the EV speakers of old as I’m using do a better job with guitars than all the modern day powered speakers.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 31 2018 19:23:03
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to Ricardo

Well done sir! Maybe it's in the fingers.......
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

Have you considered an in-soundhole mic? I bought the Bartlett after a similar debate here and it's really good. Battery operated but it's turned off on disconnection.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=221493&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=jason%2Cbartlett&tmode=&smode=&s=#223181

There's also the piezo vs. mic debate still here.
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

I have an expensive under-saddle pickup on one of my guitars and it's terrible. I have a stick-on pickup that mounts to the soundboard or bridge temporarily that cost me less than $20 a few years ago and works great. This is basically the same thing: https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dimarzio-acoustic-model-for-acoustic-guitar-and-bass now going for $50.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 2 2018 1:46:55
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

. i really want something easy to use . i don't want to bother other one with microphone feedback larsen.... .band's leader prefer me to play electric guitar so i need something very reliable .
ok ricardo sound is pretty good, with a system like that perfect for me. wich piezzo do you use on the video?
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

Go to radio shack, get the two on a card piezoelectric disks for under 5 bucks. Wire one to a cord with a 1/4 " jack. Double stick foam tape the disk the just under the bridge treble side on the face of your guitar.
I
Plug in, turn on amp. That's as good as any other piezoelectric thingy you can buy for a $100.00 because that's all you're getting , but in a fanciful package.

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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

Not sure which transducer is Ana using in her guitar but listen what it can do to the classical sound .
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RE: piezzo (in reply to dartemo1

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ORIGINAL: dartemo1

Not sure which transducer is Ana using in her guitar but listen what it can do to the classical sound .

It’s direct line sound you can’t even hear the audience so, not a fair comparison cuz it won’t sound like that if you were there

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RE: piezzo (in reply to Ricardo

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It’s direct line sound you can’t even hear the audience so, not a fair comparison cuz it won’t sound like that if you were there


...and I wouldn't like it if it did sound like that...

"Recuerdos" was...??...but the next piece was fingernails on the blackboard for me.

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 4 2018 20:44:41
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

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Not sure which transducer is Ana using in her guitar but listen what it can do to the classical sound

Why would a tone obsessed classical player let that happen??? Why does she even have a 1/4" jack on her guitar?? That's brutal.......like the "nylon guitar" function on a cheap Casio......

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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

This is really the most boring subject of all time.

I'm going to go watch some paint dry and eat some sawdust for lunch
Hmmm super exciting.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 5 2018 3:47:22
 
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RE: piezzo (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

This is really the most boring subject of all time.

I'm going to go watch some paint dry and eat some sawdust for lunch
Hmmm super exciting.


Be sure to put some sawdust in your ears and listen to the paint dry...
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RE: piezzo (in reply to estebanana

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This is really the most boring subject of all time. I'm going to go watch some paint dry and eat some sawdust for lunch Hmmm super exciting.


Not only boring, but another example of diluting flamenco by creating "fusion" as described in the original posters comment cited below.

"I'm playing in a jazz band with 4 saxophones. for the moment I play with an electric guitar . But I don't like it , and I want to bring a light flamenco fusion touch."

Just what is needed to expedite the eventual dilution of flamenco out of existence. Four saxaphones and what else? Might as well add a kazoo. Or better yet an old fashioned comb and tissue paper. If flamenco is going to be "fused" out of existence, I'd rather it be done by the Malian guitarist playing "World Music."

Bill

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RE: piezzo (in reply to tnflamenco

At a certain stage Paco used to play quite regularly what you call ‘fusion’. ‘Tierra’ from Vicente Amigo is somehow world music. Gerardo plays a good amount of fusion as well. In my view these are all people trying to take new paths.
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