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rayian

 

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Graf Martinez new books 

I was just visiting graf-martinez.com and I see he has a new book series out called "Flamenco Guitar Technics". I'm just wondering if anyone has had a look at any of these books.
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

These appear not yet to have reached Amazon US, but they’re on Amazon Germany & UK. I see with some surprise that the date is given as 2014.

The Product Description says:

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Following the great success of his two-volume flamenco guitar school, the multi-award winning flamenco author Gerhard Graf-Martinez devotes himself to the techniques of the right and left hands in these three volumes. These are not textbooks, but études and studies for daily practice. These exercises will train all techniques used in the flamenco guitar. All exercises can be used as warm-up or daily exercises. Technology does not have to be dry, that is to say, in all études great emphasis has been placed on sound and authenticity, which makes the practice examples animated and fun. In Vol. 2, picados (alternating attack with index and middle finger) are practiced by means of scales in all positions in the most common flamenco modes. The basis for improvisation in flamenco. Also for the left hand there are the typical Flamenco ligados.


Languages are German, Spanish & English.
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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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These appear not yet to have reached Amazon US, but they’re on Amazon Germany & UK. I see with some surprise that the date is given as 2014


So not so new but new to me.

Vol 1 arpeggios - rasqueados
Vol 2 picados - escalas - ligados
Vol 3 acordes - cadencias
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callemunicion

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

forget G. Martinez my friend and go to onlineflamenco.net or newlearningvision.com
for some serious stuff (of course they is much more too, but G. Martinez ... porfa...since we have internet and access to the greatest guitarists offering their knowledge for little money)
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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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go to onlineflamenco.net or newlearningvision.com
for some serious stuff


Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know about those sites.
My problem with that is I spend a lot of time in a cabin in the mountains where I don't have internet apart from my phone data and its a bit costly to run streaming video thru that. For me its good to have hard copies of books, cds or dvds for study.
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My problem with that is I spend a lot of time in a cabin in the mountains where I don't have internet apart from my phone data and its a bit costly to run streaming video thru that. For me its good to have hard copies of books, cds or dvds for study.

I sympathise, we have this issue in the UK with "rural broadband" where some areas and/or isolated spots have hopelessly slow broadband, even if the nearby towns or even villages have super fast broadband. Mine is slow, so it can cope with the foro and email, and just about with YouTube if vids aren't too long, but they hang sometimes. When someone posts a vid an hour long and says to watch a clip half way through that can take ages....

So, anyway, I have looked at a lot of DVDs and I think the best for covering basic technique with clear explanation and good demonstration is Oscar Herrero Paso A Paso vols 1 and 2.
After that vol. 3. The other one that's really good is Gerardo Nuñez Encuentro DVD.

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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

Yeah I have the dvds by Herrero. So, I guess nobody has had a look at the new books by Graf Martinez
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mark indigo

 

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So, I guess nobody has had a look at the new books by Graf Martinez

Really, what are they gonna have in them that I haven't seen before?

If you have the Herrero DVD's and you're not where you want to be, I suggest take a look at the Gerardo Nuñez Encuentro DVD.

The La Sonanta Niño de Pura DVD has some interesting stuff on technique too. (and a little more on picado and less on pulgar - while Gerardo vid has more on pulgar).

Also, being DVD's, you can see really clear demonstrations of tech by really, really good players.

And after that if you take the approach of Gerardo (and Niño de Pura) in making up ways to work on different techniques, you can surely extract problem areas from falsetas/music you are working on to practise....

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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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Really, what are they gonna have in them that I haven't seen before?


According to the Graf Martinez web site book 1 of the new series has 13 musical arpeggio studies. That, specifically, is what I'm interested in. Sure, I can take any chord progression and practice arpeggio's on it or work with Giuliani studies or whatever but I was thinking the Graf Martinez studies might be fun.

The La Sonanta Niño de Pura DVD looks interesting. Thanks for the tip
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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Giuliani studies

Fakemenco!

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to mark indigo

meh

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

Fakemenco!


Incidentally, Fakemen Co. is also the name of the first company specializing in male humanoids.

[Hunh?]

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mark indigo

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to kitarist

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Fakemen Co. is also the name of the first company specializing in male humanoids.


just googled "Fakemen Co. male humanoids" and got a really weird list of sites.... i didn't visit any

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

Fakemen Co. is also the name of the first company specializing in male humanoids.


just googled "Fakemen Co. male humanoids" and got a really weird list of sites.... i didn't visit any


Yikes, I totally made this up, and it turns out it already exists

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mark indigo

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to kitarist

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Yikes, I totally made this up


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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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ORIGINAL: rayian
My problem with that is I spend a lot of time in a cabin in the mountains

You lucky bastard! My problem is I can't remember the last time I went to a mountain cabin.

If I were you I'd fill an MP3 player with old cante tracks, including slowed down versions, and make sure I had a reliable looper (and the letras) at hand.

Now you've saved that extra space and weight in your sack you can slip in that extra bottle of Jerez.

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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Graf Martinez


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flamenco-Guitar-Technics-Vol-1-Rasgueados/dp/0900006706/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7P807H0MFS7AKZFRVFRM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flamenco-Guitar-Technics-Vol-Picados/dp/0900006714/ref=pd_sim_267_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8GZYY82Y2W7R0J3YAVTM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flamenco-Guitar-Technics-Vol-Cadencias/dp/0900006722/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=HJMWV8B8TTX0YNQCSVCP

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callemunicion

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

If you have problems with internet, everything from onlineflamenco.net and newlearningvision.com comes with sheet music and tabs and with a simple freeware tool you can download the videos too.
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

I bought the digital versions of these books that you can get through Kindle and such. I like them and they have helped a bit but there is VERY little in the way of instruction. It's chock filled with exercises that are melodic and plays out like etudes, but no fingering notations or audio examples. I've had to sort of work out my own fingerings. One area the arpeggio book has helped me, for example, is how to play melody lines while still holding a chord shape. Playing in that style was new to me. I've always played the chord, then jumped to single note lines, or just placed my fingers where the note was needed. Holding the chord shape has really made my playing more efficient and was a HUGE aha moment for me.
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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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Now you've saved that extra space and weight in your sack you can slip in that extra bottle of Jerez.


A thinking man



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simple freeware tool


Do you know if it works in the Linux operating system?

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I bought the digital versions of these books that you can get through Kindle and such. I like them and they have helped a bit but there is VERY little in the way of instruction. It's chock filled with exercises that are melodic and plays out like etudes, but no fingering notations or audio examples. I've had to sort of work out my own fingerings. One area the arpeggio book has helped me, for example, is how to play melody lines while still holding a chord shape. Playing in that style was new to me. I've always played the chord, then jumped to single note lines, or just placed my fingers where the note was needed. Holding the chord shape has really made my playing more efficient and was a HUGE aha moment for me.


Thanks for that.
Question. Are the arpeggio studies built around different palos?
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

No, the arpeggio section is not. That would have been a good idea. Instead they are set up as etudes around various scales. The book also has rasgueado techniques and they are set up around palos.
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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

Found this clip of Gerhard playing one of the arpeggio studies

https://youtu.be/s1pYiO6LD7k
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

Yikes! Doesn't sound flamenco at all! Why not just take the Niño Miguel tab book? It's light, the material is awesome, and there's enough technical challenge in it to keep you occupied for years. Or the Paco Peña book, if you feel NM is too advanced.

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

This doesn't answer your question since I haven't seen the Graf-Martinez books but, in case you find it useful:

my go-to books for technique are the Manuel Granados series. There's some free stuff here: https://www.manuelgranados.net/estudios-descargas/
The books are pretty comprehensive technique-wise.

If arpeggio is what you want and you'd like it to be centered around a palo, you could always work on select pieces. Gerardo Nunez's Trafalgar (bulerias) has a lot of interesting stuff with arpeggio and I'm sure there are good tabs of it out there. PdL's "Reflejo de Luna" (granaina) has a bunch or arpeggio with accentuation (one finger apoyando). Anyways, just a few examples.

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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Found this clip of Gerhard playing one of the arpeggio studies




quote:

Yikes! Doesn't sound flamenco at all!


sounds a bit like "lo bueno y lo malo"

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mark indigo

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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I can take any chord progression and practice arpeggio's on it


It's good to take the arpegio passages out of music that you play or are learning to work on.

You can take any chord sequence out of music that play or are learning to practise arpegios with.

If you want to isolate techniques to work on, or as a warm up you you could try the chord sequences shown second post down here:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=133462&appid=&p=&mpage=2&key=exercises&tmode=&smode=&s=#133899

First chord group is same as in the Pedro Sierra technique CD, second group is chords from Villa-Lobos study, there's a vid on YouTube of David Cerreduela showing it here (at about 1:30):



third group is same as a Manolo Sanlucar study I posted somewhere... scroll down this page:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=133462&appid=&p=&mpage=5&key=sanlucar%2Cstudy&tmode=&smode=&s=#136305

EDIT: tried to upload tab of this last but can't get it to work.

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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

Yeah, doesn't sound much like flamenco. you'd think a book called flamenco guitar technics would sound flamenco but he is playing arpeggios and that is a flamenco guitar technique. Whatever.

I saw a guy on Youtube playing through the studies from a book by Oscar Herrero and the arpeggio study is a Terraga arpeggio study. Didn't sound flamenco either.

Anyway, speaking of Oscar Herrero, I just got a copy of his vol 3 dvd and it has a bulerias arpeggio study so that'll be good for now. I'm not too sure about his prescribed method of working on one finger at a time though. Any thoughts on that?
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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
sounds a bit like "lo bueno y lo malo"

I got to 1:46 and had to turn it off.


Where's Morante when we need him?

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mark indigo

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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studies from a book by Oscar Herrero and the arpeggio study is a Terraga arpeggio study.

from what i remember the OH studies (3 books with CD) are all based on flamenco palos, apart from one or maybe two in the first book. (The Terraza study you refer to is probably been passed around so much noone can remember where they got it from originally! )

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his prescribed method of working on one finger at a time though. Any thoughts on that?

can't remember - what's he say about it? I remember sometimes he accents notes with ring finger rest stroke.

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rayian

 

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RE: Graf Martinez new books (in reply to rayian

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quote:

his prescribed method of working on one finger at a time though. Any thoughts on that?


can't remember - what's he say about it? I remember sometimes he accents notes with ring finger rest stroke.


His exercise is to plant IMA on the GB and E strings then play one string at a time chromatically up and down the neck thereby working on each finger individually.
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