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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Marco de Rueil)
Good stuff, though we heard a lot of this stuff before. I want to point out a couple spots. After many years and many inspirations and avenues of learning and studying this stuff, for me it also whittles down to the two main pillars as the guy talks about at 9:49...Ramon Montoya and Paco de Lucia. I totally agree with what he is saying there.
At 19 min or so Tomatito does a great concise break down of jazz fusion flamenco for us, loved that part. And of course at the end about strings and glue on the nails was cute.
RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Ricardo)
True some sequences are well-known, like those from Rito y Geografia del Cante. Might be useful though for members who haven't seen that yet.
About Ramon Montoya and Paco de Lucia, I like the description of both made at 7'15. I quite have the same feeling about both. While agreeing with you that they are the two main pillars of flamenco guitar, I'm not sure to understand this expression you use properly : "It all whittles down to" (as being french) : are you radical at that point you would resume the whole flamenco guitar history to its two main figures ?
Also like what Cepero says about technique (35'40), which too many contemporary guitarists emphasize too much. Justo de Badajoz at 34'49 also adds more radically that today's players are all "la misma maquina".
And there's this evocation of improvisation by Paco at 16'51 that interests me since I'm dedicated to it
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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Ricardo)
While I agree that Don Ramon and Paco are the two outstanding figures of the flamenco guitar in the 20th century, there were other influential figures as well.
At one point in the video Paco himself says, "Soy de la escuela de Niño Ricardo." In an interview he once said, "When I heard Sabicas [on the LP "Flamenco Puro"] I realized there was a different way to play the guitar."
Paco also credits Sabicas and Mario Escudero with urging him, as a virtuosic teenager, to compose his own stuff.
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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan
While I agree that Don Ramon and Paco are the two outstanding figures of the flamenco guitar in the 20th century, there were other influential figures as well.
At one point in the video Paco himself says, "Soy de la escuela de Niño Ricardo." In an interview he once said, "When I heard Sabicas [on the LP "Flamenco Puro"] I realized there was a different way to play the guitar."
Paco also credits Sabicas and Mario Escudero with urging him, as a virtuosic teenager, to compose his own stuff.
RNJ
Of course, those are the other avenues and inspirations I refer to. Since PDL appeared there are many others as well. Point being the ones you mentioned and many others (Melchor, Morao, M. De Huelva, E. de sanlucar, Pepe Martinez, etc) are a footnote to Ramon, and all the others a foot note to PDL in my view.
RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Marco de Rueil)
In my opinion Vicente Amigo is among the few exceptions. Since the very beiginning he distinguished himself for a different style of playing and a different way to make music. Paco was the greatest, but at some stage, I found that Gerardo Nunez and Vicente had something more (or different) to say.
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