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rainbow

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

is this the compas? this is one tab with a few falsetas and between it are compases or?
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Piwin

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

Well there are some in there, but there are some in every single flamenco piece out there..
Could you give a time stamp of where you think it is, maybe kind of like what Erik did?
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

compas and the first seconds intro to 00:16
00:16 falseta
00:49 compas
00:55 falseta
01:34 compas
01:40 falseta
and so on
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

The fact that you are playing on an eGuitar probably means your technique is crap. You should be playing on your classical guitar, even with high action, especially if you can play all of those classical and finger style pieces as you claim. High action is no excuse, and while not ideal, would not hold a descent guitarist back significantly.
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Piwin

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

Looks like you got it. Olé
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 16:59:18
 
rainbow

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

on this guitar has played a realy good guitar player and he has not played it too on it. its a burguet and hopf/hellweg guitar. but i train on it flamenco and i can play it better now, but when i have in the next time a flamenco guitar, i can play it much smoother i hope. have one of you a link to compas licks?
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

Perhaps rainbow is unclear of what a falseta is.
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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
I have to admit hearing you ask "what is a compas variation?" AFTER LEARNING 50 Freaking falsetas is....horrifying. Dude you should have learned 50 compas variations FIRST. I can only imagine how it sounds at this point.

Actually, the first time ever i heart the word compas (and was aware there were 12 beats in soleares) was AFTER i ear played Paco Peñas complete record repertoire for many years (80 complete pieces). When i entered Rotterdam Conservatory (after 13 years of self study including 4 years dedicated to "flamenco") i didn't know a single flamenco form by name, had no clue about their underlaying compas, didn't know a single note or chord by name (with the exception of the open strings) or how to name a 3/4 or 4/4 beat.....
so there is still hope :-).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 20:17:06
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to Stu

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Perhaps rainbow is unclear of what a falseta is.


That crossed my mind as wel although his falseta/compas analysis on top of this page is spot on.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 20:21:58
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to JasonM

quote:

ORIGINAL: JasonM

The fact that you are playing on an eGuitar probably means your technique is crap. You should be playing on your classical guitar, even with high action, especially if you can play all of those classical and finger style pieces as you claim. High action is no excuse, and while not ideal, would not hold a descent guitarist back significantly.

Actually on many classical guitars (and crap flamenco guitars) the distance between soundboard and strings is way to big to enable golpes and/or to place 1 or more fingers on the soundboard during playing like many players do.
But i agree a nylon acoustic with the right settings would be advisable.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 20:31:03
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

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@ Erik van Goch
what is a compas variation? are these the silent chords they play when the singer sings? where can i find tabs for it?


With compas variations i mean the variations you called "compas" in the video you posted on top of this page. The time stamp you added on request was spot on by the way. That video is a good example of how to make a piece of the material you learned. As you see he varies the falsetas with in between compas (variations) or actually it is better to say he varies the compas variations by adding falsetas. Note the falseta parts quite often combines more then 1 falseta when they fit well together (without in between compas variations) like adding a tail at 1:21.

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

quote:

50 is not much. a falseta is often short


I think you need some medicine. You're gonna tell us that,like you're an expert after a year, then in the next breath ask... 'what is a compas variation'??

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 21:14:58
 
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

It's sooo bad.... 😫
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 19 2017 21:30:08
 
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RE: How many compas variations do yo... (in reply to cantejondo38

Thought we should change the title of this thread.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 20 2017 15:02:28
 
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to Erik van Goch



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Dudnote

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to Ricardo

Fantastic flamingo. I'm pretty sure there's a compas variation in there straight out of maestro Juan Martin's book

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 20 2017 15:57:45
 
rainbow

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

i realy dont know what you all tell. why i shouldn know what a falseta is, why i should be a expert, i asked what a compas is, because i wanted to check, that you all here mean the same, and what is bad and why to change the title?

here in germany you cant find anything for flamenco. here by frankfurt life more people than in the most other regions but you cant find flamenco musicians. ive found only 2 teacher in this big areal and they are realy expensive, over 45€ for 30 minutes. and with no other musicians i can learn only the things ive found in the books.
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Dudnote

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

My appologies Rainbow. I made a highly crypitic joke that was not targetted at you.

We recently had a thread called "All the solea" and in that thread the following got posted by Piwin - I think he was bang on correct when he wrote

quote:


When I started learning flamenco guitar, I went to different people, teachers, schools, etc. I realized most of the teaching, and I think this is still the case today, was focused on falsetas. We use to call it the "falseta wall", this huge amount of falsetas that a teacher would throw at you and you'd just have to find a way to climb over it. You could learn them all but still not know how to piece them together nor have the slightest inkling of how to accompany. I suspect a lot of people have had a similar experience as it seems to be a rather widespread "problem" in how flamenco is taught. 


These sentiments have been echoed again and again in the current thread - hence the cryptic joke.

Please don't feel bad at how people have reacted here. Those that have replied here do spend an enormous amount of their time helping people out here on the foro. One of the great things here is you have flamencos (sadly mainly guitarists) of all levels, from total begginer to well seasoned pro. Given that few of us were born into flamenco families, remaining humble is generally considerred a good way to go

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 21 2017 13:16:50
 
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

Well personally I was just trying to avoid you making the same mistake that me and countless others have made: going to fast without understanding what you're playing. At some point it catches up with you and you have to go back to the basics, and that can be very frustrating.

Some of the other reactions you got are because you came off as sort of arrogant, which is shot down pretty quickly in these parts. Whether it was intentional, just language barrier or whatever, that's how you came off. Put it this way, there are very good players here and none of them would go around boasting about how many pieces they can play. It also raises the question of how mindful you are about what you're playing. You said you could learn Recuerdos in 2 days. Let's be honest, if you're a few years in and have a good ear, you could learn recuerdos in a few hours by ear if all you mean is get the notes right. If all it takes is to know the notes to play a piece, then we'd all be world famous guitarists. I've been trying that deceptively simple pieces for years now and I still can't manage to pinpoint what it's supposed to express. I remember it alright, but I honestly don't know how to play it. Anyways, I suspect that's why you're getting those answers.
Regarding teachers, yes it can be hard to find. There are also some teachers that teach via Skype so it wouldn't matter so much where you are. Don't know how much that costs though.

@Dudnote
yeah it took me a while to get it too I hadn't noticed you had changed the title over your post so I couldn't figure it out.
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

@ Dudnote: and what is the solution for the problem you quoted? to learn compases and bring them with the falsetas together`?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2017 8:13:36
 
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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

If you've been reading all this stuff carefully you'll see the words "accompany" and "accompaniment" keep popping up again and again.

If you use the search feature with just those two words you'll find a wealth of info.

Find yourself a dancer or dance class.

Find yourself a singer.

Learn to sing and play some palos yourself.

Here is a real foro treasure that remains under used
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=124692&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=


Flamenco - like sex - is much more fun with other people

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2017 8:29:58
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: How many Falsetas to play well? (in reply to rainbow

quote:

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@ Dudnote: and what is the solution for the problem you quoted? to learn compases and bring them with the falsetas together`?

Exactly. To play a piece correctly you have to learn/know it's underlaying compas/structures. Best is to start with learning yourself some of the basic compas variations first (matching your level of playing). Then you learn yourself a couple of falsetas (matching your level of playing). Make sure you adapt a speed and way of studying that allows you to play the material as intended, both technically and musically. Personally at first i study it phrase by phrase at very low speeds, first making sure the technical part is covered (proper technique, thought and relaxation) before adding the correct rhythmical execution because it is more easy to ad the correct rhythm once the execution is smooth and covered as to try to control unwilling fingers with a metronome telling you it's time to plug the string (rather then leaving that moment to fingers and a mind being ready to do so). After you learned yourself a falseta make it a habit also to play it coming from and ending with a well chosen compas variation so you become familiar with playing it "in context" rather then make it an isolated island. Also learn to combine compas variations in a tasteful and rhythmically correct way.

Next challenge is to order the "units" you learned (compas/falseta/compas) in a tasteful way and to construct yourself a continuing piece with it. The challenge in combining material (aside of musical structure) is that you suddenly have to combine parts that previously were studied separately, each with their own speed allowing you to play that particular falseta or compasvariation comfortably. When combining material make sure to select a speed that allows you to play the more difficult parts without slowing down (many beginners tend to speed up the parts they find easy to play and slow down the parts they find more difficult to play, try to avoid that by selecting a speed that allows you to play the selected material in a continuing speed and maybe you have to exclude that lovely variation that turns out to be to difficult yet to include). You might discover that 2 well chosen falsetas don't always need an in-between compas variation to glue them together. If so that's fine, you are totally free to combine compas variations and falsetas to you liking as long as they are played "in compas" (meaning they are combined in such a way the underlaying structure or compas remains correct). Obviously when accompanying singers and dancers your selection has to match their activities and needs as well.

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