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estebanana

 

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Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides 

This is think the 7th Hinoki guitar....

Anyway, back and sides Hinoki with a Cedar top. All the other Hinoki blancas have been Spruce toppped, so this is combination I have been wanting get into for some time.

The model is evolving a a bit. I'm working with two main ides, the infamous, and notorious, but ever so awesome 51' Barbero and this five fan baring pattern that is mine. It looks very similar to what some other Foro makers have been doing, and frankly it is. Good ideas are good ideas. I drew that pattern in 2014, but it is as old as the hills, influenced by older guitars from the 1950's -60's I have seen with that basic five fan pattern, but arranged a bit wider. The strap braces between the lower trasverse bar and bridge are a newer idea I use to stabilize that area a bit.

Those who have played the guitars I've made this way have simply said, "Funky, gitano sounding" and that's it. Which tells you really not much, so you'll have to wait and see. I like being told it sounds funky rather than someone trying to describe something that sounds like a wine tasting. "Fruity, with hints of Cedar and canela, smooth finish with a acid overtone glow" ......Uggghhh......

This one is possibly for a customer who already has one of my blancitas with a spruce top, and he is a very good player. This musician has had in his possession three of my blancas, but he covets one of mine that belongs to another pro player. He expressed an interest in hearing a Cedar top with this bracing, so I'm doing it. He's looking for something very specific and he's well heeled enough to wait for it. He'll snatch it up as soon as he hears it. Where this one will ultimately end up, I'm not sure. It's possible the care and feeing of this one is open to kind animal lovers, depending on its purr.

Further note on this one, I took it right to the edge of where I understand it is stable. It'll be a like skin pulled over a dry box. That is what the player asked for, I'll see if I can deliver.


Follow along if you care! I take the making of a guitar very seriously, but there's still Plenty of Sarcasm to go around!





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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides... (in reply to estebanana

Multi panel back.





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2017 0:08:02
 
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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides... (in reply to estebanana

Lookin sweet Stephen! Can't wait to hear it! Work is doing well right now, if it keeps up this way I may have to hit you up for some sort of negra/hybrid thing for the south american folk I like playing.
In the mean time I'm loving my hinoki blanca and so is everyone I'm showing it to.
Recently showed a country finger picker I know and he was super impressed, he'd only ever played classical nylons, he had no idea a nylon could be so aggressive, he couldn't put it down. He's got you're name, he may be giving you a "ring" some time.

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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides... (in reply to estebanana

Len, thank you. I'm happy work is good for you. Take that nice girl of yours to Italy first, then if there's anything left put down a deposit, Remember how we did it last time.

My bossa playing composer in Japan is very content with his Hauser style madagascar rosewood back and sides, but all the talk about 'Coral' is interesting to me. I understood from a dealer many years ago, 1980's, that non blanca or non negras are called 'Rosas' that is a nice way of getting at it, but I like Coral too.

You should double date with Jernigan when he takes his babe to Italy, he knows the food shops and tells long interesting tales. I'm very happy your work is going well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2017 7:57:04
 
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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides... (in reply to estebanana

...Santos Fernandez?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2017 4:44:11
 
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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides... (in reply to estebanana

Centering the back to begin mortising the back braces and gluing on the back.

I utilized some flamed maple rib trim pieces to make back strips.









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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 20 2017 4:08:26
 
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Flip phone, Kirk to Enterprise.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 20 2017 4:16:40
 
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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides (in reply to estebanana

Here is the mosaic tile I went with for this one.

A note on the braces- I did think about the Bellido of Robje's, that he posted here last year, when I was making this one. Although the basic top bracing is my own, there are additional strap braces that are included which are an influence from Robert Rucks' guitars I have seen with flat straps between the fan braces. The arrangement of the strap braces owe something to the Bellido.

I've used the strap braces successfully in the past about 10-12 years ago, but I am looking at them again when working with Cedar top blancas. There is a kind of voice I'm looking for and I think this is a good route to it by way of giving more top support and stiffness along the grain.

The cost is 2 grams. Each of the larger straps bring 1 gram of weight and increase regional stiffness a great deal. Right where I wanted extra stiffness, I get it for two grams. Let's see what happens.

The player who is asking me to build this way, if I could encapsulate his idea of voice into one phrase it could be taken from Ali's pre fight trash talk- 'Floats like a butterfly, strings like a bee.' He wants his guitars to play like that. It's a challenge. He wants guitar that effortlessly treads water and sounds out when marking time, but can lay into it and have it bite hard. He said he values this and even 'homogenized' sounding guitars are boring him. It was some of the best feedback I've ever gotten, he preferred unsophisticated and raw over refinement and polish in the voice. It gave me renewed faith in the idea that we make the way we make and the guitarist chooses what they like no matter the brand on the label.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 21 2017 7:08:34
 
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RE: Cedar top on Hinoki back & sides (in reply to estebanana

I put some shellac on it, i usually do before I glue the fingerboard on. I like the color combination of the cedar and hinoki separated by the black ebony binding.

Tomorrow the fingerboard then and lotta French polishing and pegs and set up.







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