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mark74

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to Ricardo

So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena? Am I mistaken in thinking they are both in the fandango family?
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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to mark indigo

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flamenco becomes much more complex when it is "explained"


Word!

True story. Scene: small-group guitar lesson.

Estudiente, brimming with proper desire to ascend from practice to theory: "What do you call this chord?"
(Demonstrates second shape of Villa-Lobos study 1)

Old-school tocaor: "Pepe"

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Leñador

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to mark74

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So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena?

You're probably thinking of paso doble, not Versdiales or malagueña

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Ricardo

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to Leñador

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ORIGINAL: Leñador

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So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena?

You're probably thinking of paso doble, not Versdiales or malagueña


WOW guys...

"It", meaning the famous melody (melodies plural) is NEITHER!!! It's Lecuona piano piece I linked...nothing to do with flamenco or malagueña other than the song title. Flamenco guitarists have been incorporating that cheesy shiit into their guitar solos for decades because that silly thing became popular as a way for classical fans to identify with spain.

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mark74

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to mark74

I made the link to malageuna because of this piece in Juan Martin's book

(thats not me btw)

I can identify a fandango from the cante, but I cant identify sub-genres of things without someone telling me what they are. Im not at that poiont in my knowledge
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Leñador

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to mark74

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WOW guys...

I was assuming he was confusing the verdiales "riff" with paso doble. I see now he meant the Lecuona melody.

PS yeah mark, both come from fandango family.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

Well, there is a slight connection to malagueña in Lecuona's piece. He quotes verdiales, which is a fandango popular from the province of Malaga. Of course, this doesn't make it a flamenco malagueña. But flamencos sometimes finish off malagueña with a verse or two of verdiales, in compas abandolao...at least they used to.

RNJ


No he doesn't. Perhaps you refer to PDL versions where add verdiales into it in order to make it legit flamenco? (More like he adds Lecuona quote to his Malagueña/verdiales composition)



You're right, as usual. But I wasn't referring to Paco's version.

On ABC-Paramount 428, "Fiesta Flamenca," Mario Escudero plays one of his compositions, "Caminos Malagueños." It's probably the first flamenco I ever copped off a record.

After a short intro "Caminos Malagueños" turns into verdiales, then sticks in a bit of Lecuona--the part that starts it 1:55 on the Youtube you linked.

Someone told me "Caminos Malagueños" was malagueñas pa' bailar. It was a while before I found out it was verdiales plus Lecuona. Of course I had heard the Lecuona since I was a little kid.

Somewhere during the intervening 55 years I began to imagine that Lecuona had copped verdiales in his piece, but listening to the Youtube you linked, I hear this is not the case. In his noodling around Lecuona may come close a time or two, but he never really does verdiales.

Verdiales in its native habitat as a fandango popular, not flamenco:



RNJ
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RE: Good beginner pieces (in reply to Ricardo

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It was some wishy washy spanishy nonsense





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Ricardo

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It was some wishy washy spanishy nonsense








OLAAAAAAAAY!!! Can I get tabs for that!

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