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estebanana
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 RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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The ISDS in the case of the TPP would have protected US businesses overseas in Asia. One of the sticking points for Sanders/Warren was that they thought it gave too much power to corporations to operate without oversight. The followers or fans of these politicos invested intellectually in 'fake news' and hearsay projections about the treaty before it was released for examination and amendment. The treaty was due to go through an examination and amendment process, instead it was damned before it was drafted. I kept imploring friends to wait and listen because from my perspective in Asia this was a good deal. Basically I was always shouted down by Sanders "bros" who took his word over looking at the bigger picture. We lost a great deal and missed an important opportunity, as we will soon see.
The treaty was not forced on anyone, but the politics of the upcoming election year made it into a very kickable football to rail republicans who were for it and Obama who pushed it. Ironically it was one of few bipartisan ventures of the last eight years.
The outrage at the TPP was misplaced in my opinion, and should have been refocused on the Republican redistricting that occurred in 2011 after three Republicans got in a side room in the Capitol building with the 2010 US Census and redrew the districts in secret. In secret, three republicans. After that they introduced this to the both houses for a vote and did not let anyone see it before hand. The republicans ate that **** up and said yes sirree I like it. The Dems had no choice or chance to protest it. It was a once in a lifetime coup.
The result was a Gerrymandered redistricting that favored Republicans taking power mostly in Southern States and the Midwest by virtue of the fact that African Americans, who will not vote as a block for republicans, were pushed into districts that would not impact the favoribility of Republicans winning races.
There is another way to explain this, it's called Voter Suppression and Racism- and it happened in secret right under everyone's nose. But instead of focusing the anger against the perpetrators of this unspeakable and undemocratic act, the gentle voters railed on the secrecy of the TPP, which was kept secret due to normal operating procedure.
Like them or not Eric Holder former Attorney General and President Obama, you get to call them president for life, are going to work over the years before 2020 and 2024 to right the wrong done with the vote suppressing district maps. And you can bet when the 2020 census comes out there will be a hawks eye on the map drawing and that coup will not happen again.
Meanwhile, the out of control corporate globalism that "progressives" were wringing their pink hands about they thought H. Clinton was going unleash is going to go un-treatied and unregulated under D. Trump. It's really a nightmare, because what we wanted was a treaty that enabled US business to have legal protections overseas in Asia, and to import those nice Visesnut guitar cases from Thailand without trade tariffs which make them more expensive. Now we don't know what the Trump admin is going to try to do with Asian trade, this has not effected the market yet, but if they try to tariff off Asian goods, that will be unfortunate for everyone.
Americans by and large also don't get the Asian market, or mentality as consumers. In Asia as in Mexico as Richard explained, there is steady middle class growth, Vietnam for example, China for example- They desire American consumer goods, US products are popular and seen as a good products in Asia. Chinese folks will get on airplanes take the 120 minute flight from Shanghai to Osaka, stay a few days to shop and fly back. They want Japanese and American products.
Protectionist US politicians need to get out more, and use that passport for something other than kissing the Popes ring.
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Date Feb. 4 2017 22:49:25
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BarkellWH
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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quote:
quote: The ISDS provides foreigners the right to choose impartial arbitration rather than domestic courts
And the impartiality of the arbitration is ensured how exactly?
quote: Over the past 25 years or so, there have been approximately 20 cases brought against the U.S. before an international tribunal under ISDS. The U.S. has not lost a case.
Imagine my surprise.
ISDS investment tribunals are composed of three arbitrators. As in most arbitrations, one is appointed by the investor, one by the state, and the third is usually chosen by agreement between the parties or their appointed arbitrators or selected by the appointing authority, depending on the procedural rules applicable to the dispute. If the parties do not agree who to appoint, this power is assigned to executive officials usually at the World Bank, the International Bureau of the Permanent Court of Arbitration, or a private chamber of commerce.
That the U.S. has won all cases brought against it is a function of the fair play inherent in the U.S. approach to foreign investment in America. It is also a repudiation of the Warren/Sanders claim that such arbitration grants private corporations and investors too much power. That is in stark contrast to many countries in which the weak legal system and the "buying off" of courts and judges would result in U.S. corporations and investors being put at a disadvantage by local bias against foreign claims. The system works.
Bill
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Date Feb. 5 2017 1:53:28
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estebanana
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RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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From The New Yorker (Jan. 30).
“I was born in 1933,” he continued, “the year that F.D.R. was inaugurated. He was President until I was twelve years old. I’ve been a Roosevelt Democrat ever since. I found much that was alarming about being a citizen during the tenures of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. But, whatever I may have seen as their limitations of character or intellect, neither was anything like as humanly impoverished as Trump is: ignorant of government, of history, of science, of philosophy, of art, incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English."
-Philip Roth
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Date Feb. 6 2017 1:42:32
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BarkellWH
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RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
"A personality disorder marked by a grandiose sense of self-importance. Patients are preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. In spite of these fantasies, they are troubled by a sense of inadequacy and respond to criticism, defeat, or rejection...by feelings of rage. Their relationships with others are disturbed by expectations of special favors, exploitativeness, over-idealization and devaluation of others, and a lack of empathy."
Bingo!
Bill
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Date Feb. 6 2017 2:06:34
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Piwin
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Richard,
last December, a French translator published an essay about this on the French edition of Slate. Unfortunately the text is only available in French but here's the link, in case you or any of the people you've mentioned this to happen to speak French: http://www.slate.fr/story/131087/traduire-trump-mourir-un-peu.
She was however interviewed for the LA Review of Books and that is available in English. I didn't find the interview nearly as interesting as the essay, and it is rather clear that she translates from English to French and not the other way around (her prose reads rather like French with English words slapped onto it, but I won't be the one to throw the first stone at her since I have the very same problem!), but it has the advantage of being in English.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/lost-in-trumpslation-an-interview-with-berengere-viennot/
They speak a fair bit about the Le Pen family in that interview. Interestingly enough, since it was published, Marine Le Pen was interviewed by CNN and asked to explain some of the language she had used about immigrants in a 2012 interview for French television. She went for the usual excuse: "that was mistranslated". It wasn't.
She is a rather gifted public speaker. She knows her way around words and has been working hard to make a profoundly racist political program sound like it's not so bad after all. Unfortunately it seems to be working. She's made the gambit of publicly coming out in defense of all things Trump. This puts me in the rather uncomfortable position of wanting Trump to be stopped (or to somehow come to reason) but at the same time feeling an absolutely unreasoned tinge of Schadenfreude since, if things get just bad enough in the US, Le Pen's pro-Trump stance could come and bite her in the ass before election day (not dissimilar to how I felt after Brexit. Sad overall but still somehow hoping that it would prevent others from making the same mistake).
The sad part is that she is not even the most extreme candidate on the right this year. Potential candidate Henry de Lesquene is defending a plateform of what he calls "positive racism" or "Republican racism", public burning of "degenerate works of art", and "banning Negro music such as Jazz, Blues and Rock 'n Roll, which only appeal to the reptilian part of our brain and is turning Western culture into a culture of savages". And the SOB prefaces his plateform with the words "I have a dream"... Hardly anyone will be voting for him, but his mere - sad and ridiculous - existence in the public arena gives those who intend to vote for Le Pen something to point to and say "look, that's racist. Le Pen's ideas aren't."
In any event, the upcoming election in France will be one for the books. The left is a house divided and the right seems to only have candidates that have either already done jail time or will probably have to in the near future. And then there is the looming threat of the FN.
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Date Feb. 6 2017 19:57:34
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Piwin)
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Piwin
When I click the link to the Slate article I get:
"Cette page n'existe pas.
Cette page n'existe plus.
Cette page n'existera jamais.
Cette page aurait pu exister."
The L.A. Review of Books link works, and I found the interview interesting.
One of the reader's comments to the interview introduces an idea I had not come across previously:
"danny in canada • 15 days ago
trump's language has been deteriorating over the past several years: listen to what he was saying 20, 15, 10, even 5 years ago.
and his father died of complications of Alzheimer's disease.
and his medical report is a joke.
and his adult children never leave him alone: with his sons assigned to be in charge of the 'blind trust', his advisors will be his daughter and her husband.
perhaps there's a reason he's difficult to translate."
I haven't made the historical comparison, I don't advocate this position, but as I said, it's an idea I had not considered. While people in my family have suffered senile dementia, it has usually set in only in the early to middle nineties, and lasted only a few years until mercifully relieved by death.
However, some of their spouses or other intimate acquaintances have said they began to see evidence of decline a few years before it was readily apparent to me.
RNJ
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Date Feb. 6 2017 22:29:22
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BarkellWH
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Piwin)
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I despise populists of both the Right and the Left. Argentina is a good example. Juan Peron and Evita, populists of basically the Right, drove the country into the ground and emptied the Treasury. Jump ahead approximately 50 years and Christina Fernandez de Kirchner, a populist of the Left, kept the printing presses issuing currency, created hyper-inflation, and drove the country into the ground. Hugo Chavez, a populist on the left, drove Venezuela into the ground. His successor, Nicholas Maduro, a populist of the Left (and former bus driver) continues to drive Venezuela even deeper into the ground.
In the United States, Donald Trump, a populist (not a conservative, but a populist on the Right), plays upon the ignorami and their fears of "foreigners" and engagement with globalism, while Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, populists on the Left, play upon the ignorami and their misplaced fears of globalization and international trade agreements. The one thing all populists have in common, be they on the Left or the Right, is their pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I'll take any day a government run by elitists (in the truest sense of the term "elite," i.e., those in possession of extraordinary ability and knowledge) over populists catering to the lowest common denominator. the former are far more likely to have a sense of the national interest and act on it. The latter simply cater to the rabble.
Bill
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Date Feb. 7 2017 1:23:32
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: My Offer (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Here's a link to some brief video quotes from people "Trump the populist" appeals to:
http://tinyurl.com/zrh2t4m
The American Statesman is the local Austin paper. The Bluebonnet Cafe, where these people were interviewed is near Lake Buchanan, about 45 miles northwest of here,
http://tinyurl.com/hp2hfxb
but you don't have to go that far to encounter near unanimity in these opinions. All you have to do is cross the Travis County line.
I have enjoyed many meals at the Bluebonnet. I used to take foreign customers there for a taste of catfish rolled in cornmeal and deep fried, hushpuppies, home made pie and Texas culture.
I find the mannerisms of these people quite congenial, despite how much I disagree with their politics. They strike me as typical small town or rural Texans: polite, friendly, helpful, a pleasure to associate with as long as the topic doesn't turn to politics. Then I just keep quiet. There is no use trying to discuss it with these people, since we share no appreciable common ground.
In contrast, we shared Christmas Eve dinner at a nice restaurant in Oaxaca with the proprietor of our bed and breakfast, a cultured and artistic woman, and a family consisting of grandparents and a grandson.
The grandfather was my age. After a few minutes of conversation, Larisa swapped seats with him so we could sit next to one another and talk. Jack E. was the son of a man who owned a coal company in Indiana. He said he didn't get along with his father, so he went out on his own in real estate after graduating from college. It seemed apparent that he had been quite successful, and had been financially independent for most of his life.
We spent an hour talking politics and events. I ended up suspecting Jack had voted for Trump. He is bound to have concluded I voted for Clinton, though neither of us ever said who we had voted for. But we shared a great deal of common ground. I assumed Jack's vote may have been motivated by financial considerations, and lifelong Republican loyalty. He certainly was no true believer in Trumpism, bringing up serious disagreements with Trump, and questions about his character and temperament.
Jack spoke of several Republican figures from personal knowledge, including George W. Bush. My acquaintance with "W" is at second hand, through members of his administration and Texas politicians. Jack and I agreed in our assessment of "W's" personal qualities, his successes and serious failures, and generally on the reasons for them.
Jack has had little experience with the military or the military industrial complex. He asked a number of intelligent questions, and was interested in my answers. I asked him about the Republican figures he knew, and about attitudes toward Trump among his friends, whom I assumed to be largely wealthy Republicans. Jack has a sense of humor, a healthy skepticism, but no embittered cynicism that I could detect. We laughed a lot and genuinely had a good time.
But as I said, Jack was 78 and I turned 79 years old that day. We had grown up in a time and in a social milieu where you could discuss politics with someone from the other party and have a good time doing it. Apparently Reagan and Tip O'Neill, the Democrat Speaker of the House could do it too.
I wonder how many much younger people in the USA could do the same?
RNJ
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Date Feb. 7 2017 2:53:08
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estebanana
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RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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I wonder how many much younger people in the USA could do the same?
RNJ
I feel alienated from about half my flamenco scene friends because we can't agree on politics and we are mainly on the same political side. I get branded a old guard Neo Liberal, what ever the hell means. I really don't speak too much about politics in depth unless the person I'm talking to is somewhat over 60 years old. Of course airing my opinions on the internet outs me as Democrat who believes in free trade and science...so I guess that is that. At this point I feel very isolated from old friends who disagree with my views. 2016 ripped a hole into my life.
A jaunty ex navy Aussie came through with his sail boat last summer and we had a great time until talk turned to politics. he began bitterly insulting the US Navy for incompetence and said his navy was smarter. That pissed me off, and it was frankly uncalled for and rude.
He also gloated to me about how he went to the atomic bombing memorial in Nagasaki and how moving it was. Then he went on to make that into political dig at Obama by saying he went to Hiroshima but ignored Nagasaki, and the mayor of Nagasaki was critical of that. First I thought is was none of his business not being either Japanese or American, and using the solemn moment that is taken very seriously Japan as inroad to insult Obama, who he knows I favored.
I continued to be friends with him on Facebook and took it in stride that we had different opinions. I try to be open to the ideas of others. He kept posting things on my page which discrediting Obama or Clinton for the rest of the summer and into the fall. Mostly conspiracy type opinion pieces from conservative Australian papers. Very annoying. Finally I said enough and just dropped him as a person of interest.
It was like being stalked for having said I support the democrat main line of thinking. The big tent was not perfect, but a unifier if we can all get on board and work. Most of 2016 went like went like that.
Being in Japan and having close ties to the community I live in and understanding what I do about the culture by being an outsider on the inside I disliked his having used the Obama visit to make political hay. But I excused it because how could he understand my view by sailing into Japan for six weeks before heading to Korea? Living on his boat, not understanding what was happening around him, not seeing the scope of the event in history. After a while I decided I'd had enough, and with Trump elected he was going to be insufferable....There's no reason to take in abuse if the other person thinks that is political discourse. If he had not used the Nagasaki and Hiroshima memorials as a moment to express his hatred of Obama I would have been fine. Not because Obama was slighted, but because it is too serious a point in history for a non Japanese person to use it politically. That is one thing I draw a line on.
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Date Feb. 7 2017 3:57:56
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BarkellWH
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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quote:
Here's a link to some brief video quotes from people "Trump the populist" appeals to....I find the mannerisms of these people quite congenial, despite how much I disagree with their politics. They strike me as typical small town or rural Texans: polite, friendly, helpful, a pleasure to associate with as long as the topic doesn't turn to politics.
I noted in my comment above, but wish to emphasize it here, that I am not just against Trump's populism, although he is further around the bend than anything I would have imagined. I find the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren brand of Leftist populism just as ignorant and attractive to those who apparently cannot think for themselves.
As for younger people today, the vast majority of Sanders's support came from millennials. What are they learning in universities these days that they drank so deeply from the Kool Aid on trade offered by Sanders? Or are they too busy creating "safe spaces" and demanding "trigger warnings" about possible "microaggressions" that might damage their fragile little Ids? And of course they were banking on Sanders making college and university education free. More Kool Aid.
Bill
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Date Feb. 7 2017 15:16:15
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Mark2
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RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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Tele,
I don't think there was a choice in where it was held. I think, but don't know for sure, that it was a deliberate plan to have the 9th circuit court hear the case, because they are the most liberal judges in the country. And that court has the highest % of their decisions overturned. Being a native San Franciscan, I bristle when we are referred to as extreme liberals. We are not, it's the people who moved here. They came here because of the reputation of the city as being someplace they felt they'd be comfortable. Not that there aren't liberal natives, but nowhere near the % as personified in the media. In fact, the transplants are part of the reason we have Trump. If they would have stayed in Wisconsin, or other states where they were born, Trump would have lost :-)
IMO the only thing worse than Trump would have been Clinton, but I'm perfectly willing to admit that could turn out to be a gross mis-judgement. I didn't vote for either. And I regret the ballots I casted in both the primary and the general. There wasn't one person in the race on either side who should've been elected president.
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Date Feb. 10 2017 21:22:27
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estebanana
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RE: My Offer (in reply to estebanana)
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Of the three judges one was appointed by Carter, one by George W. Bush one by Obama.
I read the courts decision, the lawyers representing the Trump side of the argument did a poor job. They argued that executive power was unreviewable except in the capacity to check the executive order for it's legality as written document, in other words making federal judges into legalese proof readers.
Paralegals can do that.
The judges ruled that the Gov. meaning Trump admin bore the burden of proving why there is an emergency, but they could not. Also noted in the decision that there is no precedent for deciding for a president in a situation like the instance Trump created. None at all.
The winning argument was based on dozens of precedent setting cases and the TRO side proved that the Ex Order was harmful to the collection of taxes, schools, state governments, individuals, families and and included several ways in which the order was harmful and destructive to large and small business and the economy.
Reading the actual written court decision and not hearing it screened through Fox News or a super liberal interpreter might be instructive as to what actually happened and why.
We have a legal system that is in place to keep any one branch of government to legal it's limits of power. They did good reasonable work.
When John Yoo was White House special council to GW Bush he wrote legal opinions that were very right and very conservative that the president used to prosecute a war in Iraq. Many people were disgusted, angry and the opinions were challenged. Yoo legal views prevailed. Now John Yoo has come out against the Trump executive order, and he's no liberal. Yoo is not alone in being critical, and being very conservative.
I might add that Trump also threatened a Federal judge.. ...
Judge Gorsuch whom Trump just nominated for SCOTUS as wrote very critically about executive order. The guy wants to appointed to the Supreme Court and he thinks the presidents legal grasp on procedure and law is thin and is not afraid to say so.
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Date Feb. 11 2017 0:09:49
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Piwin
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RE: My Offer (in reply to Leñador)
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Hahaha from what I can tell indie rock and EDM.
Damn. I've taken so many wrong turns in life!
Yeah a lot of this has been blown out of proportion and is probably just the usual scapegoating that we see whenever there is an economic downturn.
You hear many in Europe voicing concerns that in the not-so-distant future, Muslim immigration would lead to some type of demographic takeover, that just a few generations down the line there'd be so many muslims that we'd have sharia law everywhere, no women's rights etc. However, IPSOS recently published a study showing the sizeable gap between perceived reality and the actual figures. For instance, in France, the Muslim share of the population is estimated at roughly 8%. The perception of the average person was that it was around 30%. No wonder they feel beleaguered. They're operating on the basis of pure fantasy.
In the US, terrorism is very unlikely to be what kills you, like you said. The funny thing is that, according to the FBI database, if you look at actual terrorist incidents (and not fatalaties) since the 70s, Jewish terrorism is more of a problem than Islamic terrorism, and of course Christianity has a very sizeable lead. Add in terrorism inspired by political ideology or by animal rights movement and the like, and Islam falls even further behind. Of course, just by stating these facts somehow makes me a shill for Islamic extremist apparently.
Part of it might just be the side effects of news coverage. More people die drowning in a home-owned pool than they do in airplane crashes. The latter makes the headlines, the former doesn't. And you end up with people being terrified of flying and not thinking twice about pool safety. Or you end up with people terrified at the prospect of anyone with a veil or dark skin and a beard, and not worried at all about voting in an autocrat. Or more worried about the excentricities of kids in universities than about the extreme-right ideology held by quite a few of the white house senior staff.
And then, if you want to defend this warped view of the world as being somehow accurate, then you have no other choice than to dismiss the facts. Hence the relentless attacks on the media. Quote the FBI, doesn't matter, because if CNN cites the same figures, it most be fake news. Quote a Nobel prize laureate in economics, nah, all lies, it was published in the Wallstreet journal, etc. etc. It's rather funny watching stubborn people repeatedly bang their heads against reality and try to make it conform to their wishful thinking. Or at least, it would be funny if they weren't Making casualties along the way.
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