Tomatito in LA This Friday

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Ghodaddyyo

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From: Huntington Beach, CA

Tomatito in LA This Friday

Just got a heads up to share with any LA area forum members.

Anyone going?

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Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

I live in San Diego so its a few hours drive for me with probably horrible traffic.
Who is going to be in his group?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 20:50:47

Ghodaddyyo

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Cervantes)

I don't know, the Ebel Theater website doesn't give much info, but the ticket prices seem pretty good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 20:55:30

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

Last time was too much instrumental guitar music for me.
Since I'm not going this time it's probably gunna be tons of cante and baile.........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 20:56:26

Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

This is from the show in Arizona Oct 1:

Alongside Tomatito will be singers Kiki Cortiñas and David Maldonado; percussionist "Piraña; guitarist, José del Tomate; and award-winning dancer José Maya.

I am temped to go, but if there is too much hard core cante my wife will not be happy.
Plus that damn drive and cutting into my practice time.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 21:11:09

Ghodaddyyo

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Cervantes)

I'm very new to Flamenco and have never been to a concert so I do want to give it a shot. Might need to get off work early for this.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 21:14:45

Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ghodaddyyo

I'm very new to Flamenco and have never been to a concert so I do want to give it a shot. Might need to get off work early for this.

You should definitely go then, doesn't get much better than that.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 19 2016 21:18:35

Ricardo

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

To the complainers of traffic and not enough/too much cante etc, flamenco is almost completely dead. You will not get to see a concert like this ever again in a few years in this country at a least.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 10:29:19

Delta_Slider

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ricardo)

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To the complainers...

Gotta agree, stop your whining! :) I live in Colorado and we have thankfully had Paco Pena stop in twice. But that's it.

So I'm flying in to SanFran to see him, should be a great show! Can't wait. My wife puts up with my crazy flamenco love. We flew out to see Vicente in Seattle last year. She gets to do anything else she wants for the rest of the weekend in SanFran, it's a trade off!

Ole!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 13:12:31

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

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You will not get to see a concert like this ever again in a few years in this country at a least.

I suppose I'll just have to spend a couple weeks in Spain during the Jerez festival then.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 13:38:59

orsonw

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Leñador)

In Turkey earlier this year. I think the same line up?

A link to a live stream of tonights show here:

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 14:51:50

Kiko_Roca

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to orsonw)

> A link to a live stream

Hey, that's awesome, thanks!

Edit: Wait a minute - that link is not the live stream - you have to sign up it looks like. I think this is spam best I can tell. I signed up with my junk email address and it said "Thank you for subscribing to the selected mailing lists"...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 19:19:20

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

Yeah, weird, I think those are just clips from the Ivan Vargas show here in LA last saturday.....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 20:13:13

Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Kiko_Roca)

Yeah sounds too good to be true.
So many scams these days.
I put a guitar for sale on Craig's List and immediately get a text they will send money to my Paypal plus extra money for the shippers since they can't come pick it up.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 20:18:28

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

And I'm still waiting for my money from Nigeria!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 20:28:19

orsonw

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Leñador)

The link is legitamate, the 'price' is a new user lead i.e. you join the streaming service (for free) you can always cancel the account later or just unsubscribe from emails.

I don't know if anyone watched it live? It was recorded: EDIT they've now made it private.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2016 21:11:24

Ghodaddyyo

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ricardo)

I took my wife and was surprised that she quite enjoyed the show. So glad we went, it was a great performance and the audience was very enthusiastic. She thought Tomatito's son was so cute!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2016 7:48:57

BarkellWH

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

To the complainers of traffic and not enough/too much cante etc, flamenco is almost completely dead. You will not get to see a concert like this ever again in a few years in this country at a least.

Interesting observation, Ricardo. Do you mean that you think flamenco as a separate, recognizable genre is dying out? Or do you mean that flamenco is being subsumed via "fusion" with other genres to the point of being almost unrecognizable? Or were you just making a subtle dig at those who complain of too much/too little cante, etc.?

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2016 15:40:26

Leñador

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

I wouldn't say completely dead soon. Many great Flamenco's have many good years ahead of them and as long as they're alive flamenco is alive. When flamenco is on a tight wire is when it provails the most. The height of Franco's tyranny produced some of the best artists. If everyone stops listening and practicing then we'll be left with the very loyal who will react in suit and produce greatness. Como el dicho, el cante bueno duele. It's only "dying" right now in my eyes because it's too easy to make some minor adjustments and hit the "world music" circuit.
Or not haha, I feel that way right now but my perspective on flamenco seems to change every couple years at this point so I'm finding it hard to have a strong opinion. The more I learn the less I realize I know and what not.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2016 19:29:47

aeolus

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Leñador)

It does seem the social media/video game thing has cut into a large portion of traditional cultural pursuits and even later computer based interests such as film and writer forums. This from my personal experience.
Checking google here is the NYT take on the subject.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/16/world/europe/flamencos-foreign-saviors.html

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2016 20:42:38

JasonM

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to aeolus)

Haha, Ricardo is right. It's a good thing you went. It seems like flamenco's day has been dwindled for a while, even before the internet. Personally I don't feel inspired by much these days in terms of new music. Antonio Rey would be at the top of my list in the current generation.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2016 16:06:31

Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to orsonw)

I watched part of the video, sound was pretty good but a little distorted.
Video wasn't so good, couldn't really make out Tomatito at all.
Tomatito himself was awesome. I got to the Bulerias part and that was crazy good.
Looks like the link isn't working anymore so can't see the rest, bummer.
This would have made a great live recording for an album.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2016 16:24:53

Ricardo

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to BarkellWH)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

quote:

To the complainers of traffic and not enough/too much cante etc, flamenco is almost completely dead. You will not get to see a concert like this ever again in a few years in this country at a least.

Interesting observation, Ricardo. Do you mean that you think flamenco as a separate, recognizable genre is dying out? Or do you mean that flamenco is being subsumed via "fusion" with other genres to the point of being almost unrecognizable? Or were you just making a subtle dig at those who complain of too much/too little cante, etc.?

Bill

I mean people don't know and therefore don't care much about flamenco in this country anymore. They only know about Rodrigro and Gabriela and Sabicas and Paco de Lucia, and that's it, depending on their generation. Tomatito is the only one filling a big hall, even Vicente was in a small hall this time not even filled. It is inconceivable to me that the good singers and guitarists in spain could do a tour of USA. Dancing shows, basically theatre drama, that's it. Over the years I have seen the sentiment of flamencos turn to not caring much for USA audience either, with reviews and critics such as "we need more of the firey dancer,", or "it didn't remind us of carmen and sabicas, was this even flamenco??" ....typical nonsense. So take whatever you can get for now, cuz it won't be much longer they stick to Europe and Japan, etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2016 18:00:29

Cervantes

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

I doubt anybody who doesn't actually plays / study flamenco ever heard of Sabicas. I never knew who he was before I started playing. The fact that flamenco is not popular in the U.S. or other countries doesn't really bother me or reduce my enthusiasm. In fact I think the rarity of it is one thing that attracts me to it. Only we are the lucky ones to be able to appreciate what a wonderful art it is and the legacy of all the great performers that have come and gone and new ones still to come.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2016 19:37:45

Morante

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RE: Tomatito in LA This Friday (in reply to Cervantes)

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The fact that flamenco is not popular in the U.S. or other countries doesn't really bother me or reduce my enthusiasm

However flamenco is dying in Spain too. A few years ago, I could lift the phone or go to a bar and organise a juerga de verdad in 5 minutes. Now there is nobody to call: flamenco in Cádiz, la cuna, is dead.