Practicing a solea remate by Rafael Cortes

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jg7238

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Practicing a solea remate by Rafael ...

Was practicing a solea remate by Rafael Cortes...

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minorthang

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

ithink with picado you either got it or aint!!! and amigo you totally got it!

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Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

Saw grisha did this on Facebook, didn't see the original. Compas is a little odd to me so I changed to something more groovey that I can handle.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 13:40:07

JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Ricardo)

Cool guys.
Ricardo I think the original were all 32nd notes starting on the 3rd 32nd note of beat 7

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JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to JohnWalshGuitar)

I tried the bloody thing too, just the phrase itself. Didn't actually practice it though. Just hit record. I should probably practice before hitting record in future.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 13:56:26

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

I guess this is closer to the original, but I still had to add two notes to make it feel right:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 14:20:48

jg7238

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to minorthang)

Thanks for the kind comment minorthang..

@Ricardo: I like the groove put into it. Really good sound too...

@John: You really are ripping it now John. D**mn!. That arpeggio part throws me off a little when i try to gas it. What really is amazing is how Rafael is able to achieve that kind of speed with such brute force.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 18:20:13

jg7238

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

Still practicing this remate....

http://youtu.be/bRlUuqf4oIw

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 19:14:33

Sr. Martins

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

Ah, begginer's corner.

Now I have a decent phone camera, you guys are lucky that I don't have a guitar here to embarass you.

Seriously now, where's the original remate?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 19:23:58

jg7238

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Ok last video on this remate.. I'm done for now...
@sr martins: it's on his Facebook page.

http://youtu.be/IC1N_poKH2I

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 20:26:21

danm48

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to minorthang)

Hi,
Found this quick video of Rafael's picado exercise:

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 6 2016 20:48:25

rombsix

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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Seriously now, where's the original remate?

https://youtu.be/bYzYT77veZs?t=26s

https://www.facebook.com/rafael.cortes.35110/videos/vb.526459816/10154201714259817/?type=3

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 0:17:28

minorthang

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

romboid ,whatare you doing uploading that -givesme depression

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 6:53:14

rombsix

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to minorthang)

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romboid ,whatare you doing uploading that -givesme depression

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 13:43:08

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to rombsix)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

quote:

Seriously now, where's the original remate?

https://youtu.be/bYzYT77veZs?t=26s

https://www.facebook.com/rafael.cortes.35110/videos/vb.526459816/10154201714259817/?type=3

He's using 3 finger picado on the run there. The Bm7b5 arp is slower than the run, so that's how the timing works. Damn cheater.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 17:26:09

rombsix

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Ricardo)

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He's using 3 finger picado on the run there. The Bm7b5 arp is slower than the run, so that's how the timing works. Damn cheater.

How can you be 100% sure that he's doing 3-finger picado? What if he just slows down for the arpeggio then speeds up for the picado run while still using only 2-finger picado? I've asked him before, and he said it's TWO-finger...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 17:53:45

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to rombsix)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

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He's using 3 finger picado on the run there. The Bm7b5 arp is slower than the run, so that's how the timing works. Damn cheater.

How can you be 100% sure that he's doing 3-finger picado? What if he just slows down for the arpeggio then speeds up for the picado run while still using only 2-finger picado? I've asked him before, and he said it's TWO-finger...

For me his re-set action is clearly groups of three (YouTube), a-m-i, as per the string fingering too. Perhaps in the Facebook example, his slow version ends with m finger (his right hand is almost totally off camera), suggesting he starts m finger on the D note and alternates. But the YouTube thing ends with i. So slow demo it's two fingers, m i, and fast is a-m-i. I will practice and do it like I think he does it. (Ps if he says it's two, then you can call him mentiroso!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 17:58:52

Sr. Martins

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Ricardo)

3 finger picado always makes me feel like a bass player...

Run to the hills!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 19:31:33

Grisha

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

He is doing iim picado all the way. It is visible in the first video if you play it slowly.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 20:25:45

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Grisha)

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He is doing iim picado all the way. It is visible in the first video if you play it slowly.

Meaning, he is dragging i across instead of start with a finger? Guess that is a lot easier. It's still cheating!

Honestly I would need to see a different angle cuz from the front, m and i move at the same medium speed as a finger, all 3 alternating in sequence...iim would show a fast gallop of m-i movement which I dont' see.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 20:46:54

Grisha

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

If the end result sounds amazing there is no cheating in music. Except for AutoTune.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 20:51:04

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Grisha)

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If the end result sounds amazing there is no cheating in music. Except for AutoTune.

IMO, the sound is a bit choked vs what you or John did at a touch slower speed.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 20:57:58

jg7238

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Ricardo)

So if this was called "solea remate competition" not including Rafael of course; my version would be in last place based on attack, sound and speed?😀.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 21:16:32

Grisha

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

Actually Juan, your version was at least as fast as mine. When it comes to picado you have nothing to worry about.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 21:20:20

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Grisha)

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jg7238

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks for the generous comment Grisha. I know my attack and sound are good but it's cool to know you think that in terms of speed I'm getting there. Quite frankly I shouldn't be worried about speed but it's healthy competition.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 21:41:01

minorthang

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to jg7238)

cool jimi hendrix! for the transcription, great skill -- maybe a few more ofthe faslsetas he plays are worth a look (winkwinknudge nudge

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ami, im oh heavens now the depression has deeply set in

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 22:44:05

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to minorthang)

Actually this is just how I saw on the faster video (slowed down of course), but he played it slower for Luciano (check his facebook page for the video) and there he ends the run with the middle finger. Either way, it's an i-m picado for sure, no ring finger involved.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2016 23:28:44

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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ORIGINAL: xirdneH_imiJ

Actually this is just how I saw on the faster video (slowed down of course), but he played it slower for Luciano (check his facebook page for the video) and there he ends the run with the middle finger. Either way, it's an i-m picado for sure, no ring finger involved.

Again, the reason is the slow version is done m-i, the fast one is a-m-i. Slowed video or not, simply count the i finger re-set, or m finger for that matter, and you will see there are only 5-6 repetitions, not 8 or 9.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2016 10:57:40

Ricardo

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RE: Practicing a solea remate by Raf... (in reply to Ricardo)

I don't really have patience to develop this technique but, you can see the idea behind it. I think the trick is the synchronization, but it can go very fast with half the effort of normal alternation. I only mess with it a few minutes here, this is what it looks like he is doing to me:

I know I can't make it clean sounding as the ami I do is not so even, but you can at least see the potential.

And finally, to slay the dead horse, you see he is no stranger to 3 finger picado in this show, specifically 9:30 and 9:47... If it's not obvious there, I dont' know what to say guys.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2016 12:58:28