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DavRom

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Golpe

i'm done doing golpes with 'A' finger. Nail cracked in the same exact way yet again

glue doesn't help, it ruins my nails (thins them out, been there done that, twice)

another finger? idk

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JuanDaBomb

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

Have you tried the glue and a silk patch? That's what I do to fix a cracked nail. It stays fixed and eventually the patch gets filed away. Then I crack it again, and patch it again.

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chester

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

i'm done doing golpes with 'A' finger. Nail cracked in the same exact way yet again

glue doesn't help, it ruins my nails (thins them out, been there done that, twice)

another finger? idk

How about trying to hit softer, using more of the finger pad?

If all else fails you can always tap your foot or click your tongue instead.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2016 5:17:37

DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

i'm not talking about golpes in isolation. you can change the angle only so much when combined with a thumb stroke

quote:

ORIGINAL: chester
If all else fails you can always tap your foot or click your tongue instead.

lol

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IraqiOud

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

i'm not talking about golpes in isolation. you can change the angle only so much when combined with a thumb stroke

quote:

ORIGINAL: chester
If all else fails you can always tap your foot or click your tongue instead.

lol

Doing it with a&m together lessen the chances of breaking the nail.

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

A and M Will probably lead to two broken nails. Ha! I'm gonna try just M

I'm done trying anything involving glue, As I said it ruins my nails. My index finger nail got so thin it started curling up at the tip.yikes!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2016 10:57:54

IraqiOud

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

A and M Will probably lead to two broken nails. Ha! I'm gonna try just M

Not according to Oscar Herrero.. It's his advice in paso a paso vol 1 to use a and m to prevent breaking the nail of A.

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Cloth Ears

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

Use A & M as IraqiOud says..it spreads the load. Furthermore relax the top two knuckle joints as you do it. Use the pad of your fingers to help deceleration. Be gentle and of course use silk and superglue to reinforce those nails (I do the thumb's left corner also).

---edit---
If you don't already...the actual muscular action should be to rotate your wrist with only some extension of A&M.

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Piwin

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

- look into whether you're filing the nails right. Make sure when you're done filing you have a "closed" surface (i.e. run your finger over the nail and it should be completely smooth).
- see what you can get out of m golpes or in some cases maybe you could even switch to the old-school thumb golpe.
- practice using golpes without the nail, sounds different but volume-wise you can work it up to similar levels than with the nail.
- if you have trouble with your nails being too thin and brittle in general, and glue and the like are not an option, there's always the option of food supplements and what not (I've never tried this myself but a friend of mine has been doing something like that with some kind of vitamin pills or something and he seems pretty happy about it at this point).

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BarkellWH

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

I would not give up on the "A," as it is the finger best situated to execute a golpe. I think many start out trying to execute golpes too hard and with the nail alone. Golpes do not have to be hard, and if you use the pad of the finger in combination with the nail they sound better. It may take practice to reach the optimum level of force and finger-pad/nail touch, but it will be worth your time in the long run.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2016 13:18:54

Ricardo

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

A and M Will probably lead to two broken nails. Ha! I'm gonna try just M

I'm done trying anything involving glue, As I said it ruins my nails. My index finger nail got so thin it started curling up at the tip.yikes!

How could you know if your nails were thin if they are covered in glue?

Anyway it sounds like the nails are simply too long if they are behaving as you say. Might want to look closer at nail shape.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2016 14:37:02

El Rey De los Bagres

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

I use nail hardener, made my nails thicker and more "elastic". I also use a protective top coat that hardens.

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

i've played classical for a long time so nail care is not new to me. playing was never detrimental, however, since last summer learning flamenco has been brutal on my nails

quote:

ORIGINAL: IraqiOud
Not according to Oscar Herrero.. It's his advice in paso a paso vol 1 to use a and m to prevent breaking the nail of A.

i'm gonna try it (what i said about breaking two nails was tongue-in-cheek)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin
- if you have trouble with your nails being too thin and brittle...

never had that problem. as i said above, using glue makes them thin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
Golpes do not have to be hard...

i thought i was trying to be light

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo
How could you know if your nails were thin if they are covered in glue?

the glue comes off with rasgueos and such, innit?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2016 20:35:26

Leñador

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

I'm with Ricardo, willing to bet your nails are too long, every classical player I've met has longer nails than me. And the only time my nails break is when I get lazy about filing.

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to Leñador)

i observe other guitarists nails when i can and have typically found mine to be on the short side (flamenco or classical), especially thumb nail

and i find most flamencos keep their thumb nail much longer than classical guitarists

i accept that my A nail may have been on the long side when it cracked

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2016 10:29:53

Ricardo

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

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the glue comes off with rasgueos and such, innit?

Only from serious heavy playing or perhaps you try scraping it off. The glue therefore, is NOT the thing making your nails thin, it's because they are getting thin (from strumming) that you needed to put glue on in the first place. Anyway, the glue, if it is FRESH (CA glue like Krazy), should not come off from normal playing at least for a week. Once opened, a glue bottle goes bad in days. Keep in a plastic bag, treat it like food. If you notice bare or natural nail exposed (make sure you are covering ENTIRE nail) you should NOT be playing guitar, you should be getting more glue ASAP.

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jshelton5040

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RE: Golpe (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

If you notice bare or natural nail exposed (make sure you are covering ENTIRE nail) you should NOT be playing guitar, you should be getting more glue ASAP.

Ricardo

Good advice but I would avoid putting glue on the quick (pink half moon shape at the base of the nail). I know people who have had an allergic reaction when the quick is coated.

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Piwin

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

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never had that problem. as i said above, using glue makes them thin

so your nails aren't brittle but the post is about how you keep on breaking them...

I'm lost.

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The glue therefore, is NOT the thing making your nails thin, it's because they are getting thin (from strumming) that you needed to put glue on in the first place.

i can't agree with this because i strum songs all day long as i play for the children i teach in public school. my 'I' nail didn't start getting thin until i started using the glue recently. i tried glue years ago and had the same results. i was willing to try it again hoping it would be different this time

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin
so your nails aren't brittle but the post is about how you keep on breaking them...
I'm lost.

the 'A' nail only cracks when tapping. if i had brittle nails they would crack or break/split all the time whatever i was playing

notice i said "cracks" as opposed to splits and breaks. as with most guitarists the latter happens to me on occasion from poor filing, grabbing things the wrong way, changing flat tires etc.

my nails never crack other than when playing golpes

was lost but now you're found

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

Eat more raw garlic. Rub it in the nails too.

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Piwin

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

quote:

was lost but now you're found

so what is the nuance you're making between crack, split and break? What I'm imagining is a line across the nail without it actually being broken, is that right?

In any case, it looks like the two only options (at least that I can think of) would be to experiment with different ways of doing golpes (with two fingers instead of one, with more flesh, etc. etc.) or experimenting with different hardners, glues, etc. until you find one that doesn't have the effect of thinning your nails (of course, that's assuming they won't all do that...).

If all else fails, you could try wearing a thimble or imagining a pulley system that you could tie to your A finger that when released would let down a fake metal finger on the golpeador.

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to El Rey De los Bagres)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin
What I'm imagining is a line across the nail without it actually being broken, is that right?

yes, but the nail can now fold like a box top/flap so you have to break it off and file. different from a split. cracks like this never happen to me playing classical

quote:

...experiment with different ways of doing golpes (with two fingers instead of one, with more flesh, etc. etc.)

yup. i started using M&A last couple of days on IraqiOud's suggestion. using more pad too. but i'll have to wait til my nail grows back to normal to see if that helps

quote:

or experimenting with different hardners, glues, etc. until you find one that doesn't have the effect of thinning your nails (of course, that's assuming they won't all do that...).

i looked into hardners awhile back (Hoof something or other) but never followed thru. i wasn't learning flamenco at the time

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ORIGINAL: El Rey De los Bagres

I use nail hardener, made my nails thicker and more "elastic". I also use a protective top coat that hardens.

which brand? what is it made from?

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ngiorgio

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

Have you considered taking a supplement such as Biotin 5mg. Might help strengthen your nails. I have been using it for a few years with decent results. Had a problem with a finger nail curving downward. Polishes and hardeners helped but were a pain to use (for me). Might need to try a few different things to help the situation.

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Ricardo

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

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i can't agree with this because i strum songs all day long as i play for the children i teach in public school. my 'I' nail didn't start getting thin until i started using the glue recently. i tried glue years ago and had the same results. i was willing to try it again hoping it would be different this time

You only starting using glue because you broke or crack a nail on golpe? You can believe what you want, but strumming thins the nails, not any glue.

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Piwin

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

Well good luck to you then figuring out what the best solution for you is.
Probably won't be of much help, but just as an "FYI" in case it can, I use so-called acrylic powder layered with glue. The acrylic powder works as a hardner and can be used with other products than glue (I've used regular nail polish before with it, and it works just fine, though not as hard as with glue).

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

You can believe what you want, but strumming thins the nails, not any glue.

and i can say the same to you... You can believe what you like, but glue thins my nails whereas hours of strumming day after day are virtually unnoticeable in the condition of my nails

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DavRom

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RE: Golpe (in reply to Piwin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin

Well good luck to you then figuring out what the best solution for you is.

huh? where'd that come from

quote:

Probably won't be of much help,

why not?

quote:

... but just as an "FYI" in case it can, I use so-called acrylic powder layered with glue. The acrylic powder works as a hardner and can be used with other products than glue (I've used regular nail polish before with it, and it works just fine, though not as hard as with glue).

acrylic powder brand?

i've tried nail polish and it also changes the texture of my nails

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2016 17:49:10

Piwin

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom)

I think you saw some passive-aggressiveness where there was none intended. I was really wishing you good luck to figure out the right thing for your nails!

(coz I know it can be a pain!) Sorry if it was misleading!

Lemme get back to you on the brand of acrylic powder because I'm on the road and don't know it off the top of my head (to be honest though, I basically just use the cheapest out there, but it seems to work alright for me).

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