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Leñador

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

Different beast entirely I'd say. Tango is a lot more outright sexual while flamenco is just sexy. I don't mind my lady dancing flamenco without me around, not sure how I'd feel about her going out Tango dancing without me........

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Piwin

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

I think tango has been oversexualized in the media. It can be sensual for sure but it's not what is portrayed on television.
My guess is that for people who feel uncomfortable with their partner dancing tango, it might not be so much because it's sexier than flamenco than it is just the mere fact that one is a couple's dance and the other isn't.

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rombsix

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Piwin

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I think tango has been oversexualized in the media. It can be sensual for sure but it's not what is portrayed on television.
My guess is that for people who feel uncomfortable with their partner dancing tango, it might not be so much because it's sexier than flamenco than it is just the mere fact that one is a couple's dance and the other isn't.


I concur.

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BarkellWH

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Piwin

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it might not be so much because it's sexier than flamenco than it is just the mere fact that one is a couple's dance and the other isn't.


That's pretty much the case today, but 50 years ago it was not uncommon for male and female flamenco dancers to dance as a couple. I have even seen it (albeit rarely) done today. When danced as a couple, flamenco can be a very sensual minuet, but as the dancers do not touch, it still is not as sensual (and sexual) as tango. I agree, though, that tango has been over-sexualized in some cases. But even when it isn't, it is still a very sensual dance. Don't forget that it got its start in the brothels and bordellos of Buenos Aires, and it retains some of that atmosphere and sexual excitement.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 18 2016 11:55:21
 
Piwin

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to BarkellWH

I'll have to admit that even in those cases where flamenco is danced by a couple, it never struck me as a "couple's dance", at the exception perhaps of full choreographies. It lacks most of the qualities that I would associate with a couple's dance. There are a lot of dances from Castilla y Leon or from the Celtic north where the partners don't touch (or even come close to touching!), and yet they strike me more as couple's dances than anything I've ever seen in flamenco. I'm gonna put this one up for debate at the pena next week. Hopefully it will make for a lively debate!

As for the sexual tension in tango, I think part of it is that what gets shown on television or movies is (aside from ballroom tango) what I think they call tango de exposicion (? the experts will have to pitch in here), i.e. a type of performance tango that involves a lot more flourishes and often over-the-top acrobatics than anything you'd see in a milonga, where even the boldest of the lot would probably refrain from anything too flashy if only just to avoid "traffic jams".

In any event, I don't think Lenador would have much to worry about if his partner decided to take up dancing lessons. When mine did, she would always come back with some story about how men couldn't lead and would always blame the woman for their own mistakes The way she put it made sense to me. She said that, like any other hobby, it all depends on what you expect to get out of it. Some go to dance and others go to pick up men/women. And certain types of dancing are more prone to attract the latter than the former (salsa is notoriously bad about that nowadays), which just makes it frustrating for those who just want to dance.

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BarkellWH

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Piwin

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a type of performance tango that involves a lot more flourishes and often over-the-top acrobatics


That form of over-the-top acrobatics is hardly what an aficionado would call "tango" in any case. But an honestly danced tango is still a very sensual inter-action between the man and the woman. To carry this discussion beyond tango, I have never understood the appeal of the U.S. television program "Dancing with the Stars." Most of the participants look like they are trying out for a high school gymnastics team, not a dance competition. Not to mention the "has-beens" who attempt it. Further evidence of the decline of Western Civilization, if any were needed.

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

Tsk,Tsk Bill,

Dancing with the Stars is an integral part of our democracy and serves as a vital vetting process for the selection cabinet members of the executive branch. The two most important criteria for being chosen for a presidential cabinet is that one owns assets totaling over one billion US dollars, or have been a contestant on Dancing with the Stars.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2016 23:59:58
 
Leñador

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

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Dancing with the Stars is an integral part of our democracy and serves as a vital vetting process for the selection cabinet members

Yup! Reality TV chooses our leaders now! Everyone knows the most important people are on reality TV. I vote Dirty Jobs host Mike Rowe to be our next president!

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Piwin

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to BarkellWH

I'll admit I've never seen that show. I saw some kind of singing version of that, and I really didn't get caught in.
The one show I did rather enjoy was the magic show with Penn and Teller. I forget the title. Though I'm usually not a fan of how these shows are set-up, I think what made this one different from these other shows for me was the fact that the "jury" actually put their reputations on the line. It wasn't just that one-sided "we'll watch and judge you" approach that you have in these other shows. And the appeal for the audience was not to see whether the contestants were better than each other, it was to see if they were better than the jury. But I'm biased on this one as I've always enjoyed a carefuly-crafted illusion.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2016 5:54:08
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Piwin

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I've always enjoyed a carefully-crafted illusion.


How would you like to be our President-Elect's press secretary when he takes office on January 20?

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2016 14:56:55
 
Piwin

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to BarkellWH

From last summer:

Though my guess is that he knows exactly where the jack of hearts is. He just won't pick it because it's not profitable to him.

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Mark2

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to estebanana

I'd rather candidates have to successfully complete the challenge on Naked and Afraid. Could be hard to watch if we don't get some younger folks involved though.



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Tsk,Tsk Bill,

Dancing with the Stars is an integral part of our democracy and serves as a vital vetting process for the selection cabinet members of the executive branch. The two most important criteria for being chosen for a presidential cabinet is that one owns assets totaling over one billion US dollars, or have been a contestant on Dancing with the Stars.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 21 2016 18:28:39
 
Piwin

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Mark2

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the challenge on Naked and Afraid


Apparently the Russians have taken that idea to a whole new level. They're going to strand contestants for 9-months in Siberian bear country with minimal equipment (apparently just a knife for self-defense). The winner is just whoever survives or doesn't quit...
At this point we should really just open up an arena somewhere and have gladiator fights. Maybe even let some large cats loose and see what happens.

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Leñador

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

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But I'm biased on this one as I've always enjoyed a carefuly-crafted illusion.

Can't pin it down but there's a transgender joke to be had there somewhere.

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to rombsix

Thanks Ramsi. We've both got 2 left feet, so the few times we've tried salsa together it has usually ended with arguing about who was supposed to do what. This tangos video looks like it starts nice and simple - at least the tempo is less frantic which should help. Looks like it could be fun to try.

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Kiko_Roca

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

Hi. I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to offer what I started doing a few years ago when our kids were born. First, I felt like loosing weight needed to be decoupled from exercise. They are two separate (but linked) things for me really, and while they each influence each other, it helps me not to think about them together. So it is like this:

Eating = loosing weight. It is just math here - calories in vs. calories burned. Over eat and I gain weight, under-eat and I loose weight. I got an app like my fitness pal to roughly track it. It can estimate how much you need to be in calorie deficit by a series of questions about your weight and activity level - to target loosing about a pound a week (which is around the max recommended to maintain muscle mass and overall health iirc). I personally started at 223, 5'11" a few years ago and dropped down to 198 just tracking calories over several months.

Next, Exercise = fitness. What I do for exercise is body weight/calisthenics stuff. There is almost no prep time, I can do it in pajamas on the living room floor, and no equipment is needed beyond a bar mounted somewhere for pullups. I can get in a full body workout like this during coffee in about 15-20 minutes, and if I super-set everything and go without rest in between, it can be cardio. My typical approach is as follows

1) Warmup: toe-touch/waybacks; arm-rotations; front, side, and back planks (target a minute in each plank hold, whether all at once or in smaller increments adding up to ~60 seconds. (I do the front/side planks on elbows/forearms to minimize the wrist strain) Then
2) workout: I typically pick one each of: pushups/dips, pullups/rows, stepups/squats, lunges/single-leg hip raises. 3 sets of each. (I actually have a power tower and rings which makes the dips/rows possible - though I know some people do those with two chairs and towels hung from their pullup bar).
3) off days: I usually do yoga or some sort of L-sit or handstand skill work. Still can't do either L-sit or hand stand. But have been working on it off and on the last year, and am pretty close on the sit.

If I am targeting cardio I'll usually include some sort of jumping like jacks or burpies in a rotation - And I'll typically switch between cardio and strength every few workouts, doing 3-4 workouts a week. I was really surprised at how flexible and strong I felt after the 4th or 5th month of doing all of this.

Regarding exercise and weight loss: At my age anyway, I cant really burn enough calories daily through exercise to make a huge difference in weight loss. I can run/jog for half an hour and burn ~300 calories, but I often don't have the 45 minutes of time that would require (warm up, getting dressed, cooldown, etc.) and I can't do it every single day. Too much wear on the tendons, plus even peak athletes need rest days and such. And then even daily, 300 calories is going to be snails pace for loosing weight (~0.5 lbs/week), especially when I can loose that by having a soda or an extra roll at dinner if I'm not calorie tracking anyway... When I started loosing - I tracked religiously for the first 2 months, and by then I had a good idea of what/how much I could eat of things. The only bad thing is you ultimately need to eat a little less if you get light enough and you want to keep loosing. I made it down to 180, then got slack and I'm back around 190 right now.

Well, my apologies for the wall of text. Hopefully you or someone will find some of this helpful. It's more personal info than I typically share online, but it is an issue that was pretty close to me. If there are any questions about the types of exercises and how to make them easier or harder or whatever, feel free to ask.

P.S. - I sympathize with the shoulder. I've had a number of dislocation issues from mountain biking in my past, and it bugs the heck out of me playing sometimes!
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rombsix

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Dudnote

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Thanks Ramsi. We've both got 2 left feet, so the few times we've tried salsa together it has usually ended with arguing about who was supposed to do what. This tangos video looks like it starts nice and simple - at least the tempo is less frantic which should help. Looks like it could be fun to try.


Yeah, man - go for it. It's fantastic!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 3 2017 21:28:47
 
Leñador

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

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They are two separate (but linked) things for me really, and while they each influence each other, it helps me not to think about them together.

Yeah this is dead on.
Diet is everything, putting nearly 100 miles a week on the bike and barely lost anything(wasn't the goal), my endurance made huge strides but hardly very little weight. I changed my diet the last week and DIDNT ride and lost almost 1/2 a pound a day. It's pretty wild how little exercise can do if you keep eating crap.
Anyhow, new year, gunna keep riding cus I love it, try to maintain a sustainable healthy diet that doesn't make me crazy, cut WAY back on the stress drinking and see a trainer a couple times a week. Flamenco will suffer a bit but the way heart disease is in my family I'm gunna have to prioritize.

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mark74

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RE: Guitar made me fat (finding bala... (in reply to Leñador

I find watching telenovelas on Netflix makes the treadmill enjoyable. Not into weights though

Right now Im watching Duenos de Paraisio
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