Foro Flamenco
Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out



Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.
This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvir, Philip John Lee and Craig Eros who went ahead of us too soon.
We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.





Flamenco Singing Characteristics   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1]
Login
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>
 
12x8

 

Posts: 2
Joined: Sep. 20 2015
 

Flamenco Singing Characteristics 

Hello everyone, i've decided to make an account because i have some questions that pertain to singing, and since i haven't been able to find any properly operating singing forums on the net, i thought i'd come here to ask some questions about singing because i feel the questions might be tied closely to flamenco.

Some backstory:

- I know very little about Flamenco
- I want to start taking singing classes soon so that i can properly engage in my artistic endeavors
- I'm a big fan of Alejandro Sanz

I'm not sure if anyone here has heard of Mr Sanz but he has a famously rich association to Flamenco and my question is the following...

Alejandro's voice has often been described as raspy, rasposa, husky, etc etc , Rhapsody.com describes him as: "Sanz can sing with the husky intensity of a Gipsy King when he wants to - which isn't too often."

He has a certain vocal quality, and i feel it was arguably magnified most during his mid 2000's endeavors with songs like the ones below.

My question is, is his vocal quality mostly unique to him, or can such abilities and style be learned? I for example dont have his vocal quality or the ability to do some vocal effects he can, but i've also noticed that his voice has rolled more husky as he's grown older. How much is his vocal quality down to genetics, and down to actually training and modifying?




  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 20 2015 22:50:57
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

12x8, that's big lumber! couldn't resist, I'm a contractor.

Never heard of this guy but his voice does have a good tone for flamenco. It's what we call voz afillà. Super common in flamenco. I've heard people try to have it artificially, sounds really lame. Either you've got it or you don't. Cigarettes, brandy and lack of sleep help though. embrace the tone you're born with and make it the best it can be. Don't try to "make a voice" it'll be obvious that it's fake.
Oh yeah, we call it Cante, not singing, you'll find more cool stuff using that word, Cante and Cantaores.

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 20 2015 23:27:07
 
12x8

 

Posts: 2
Joined: Sep. 20 2015
 

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to Leñador

Thanks for the feedback!

Interesting to see these terms, i can definitely see myself learning more about flamenco, in fact, i look forward to it.

And yes, i keep seeing around that "hurting" my voice would be the only option if i wanted to get closer to that vocal quality
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2015 2:25:44
 
Morante

 

Posts: 1893
Joined: Nov. 21 2010
 

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

Alejandro is a pop singer, most famous for his first hit: "Corazon Partío".
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2015 8:59:52
 
El Kiko

Posts: 2697
Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to Morante

correct ...anyone who lives in Spain , or has been there for a while would not be able to avoid hearing him on the radio ... a bit too much at times ...

_____________________________

Don't trust Atoms.....they make up everything.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2015 15:38:01
 
Ricardo

Posts: 13290
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

So long as your investigations here are understood as scraping the superficial cheese off the surface of flamenco...here is the only reason I know of that Sr. Sanz is known to be having some "flamenco" background....cheesy collaborations like this:

http://youtu.be/DXXxCTj-y0w

In this vein I would have to admit I would prefer the Paco/Bryan Adams flamenco combo. At least their song is in 3/4. Comparing these types of pop singers to flamenco cante is like comparing Kanye to Billie Holliday.

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2015 22:36:24
 
Thomas

Posts: 225
Joined: Oct. 5 2005
 

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

well, at least he knows how to do it....

http://youtu.be/OyPWPLo7E9M

_____________________________

TeFau Studio Thomas Vogt
Cuadro Sur Guitar Trio
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 22 2015 18:35:38
 
Ricardo

Posts: 13290
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to Thomas

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thomas

well, at least he knows how to do it....

http://youtu.be/OyPWPLo7E9M



uhg...

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2015 11:44:05
 
Miguel de Maria

Posts: 3527
Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

I think he sings pretty good. Is the problem he's not playing in compas?

_____________________________

Connect with me on Facebook, all the cool kids are doing it.
https://www.facebook.com/migueldemariaZ


Arizona Wedding Music Guitar
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2015 16:22:27
 
Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to 12x8

His playing is pretty bad, and his singing isn't in compas either, good tone and sense of melody but unfortunately that's not enough.....

_____________________________

\m/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2015 16:57:11
 
Morante

 

Posts: 1893
Joined: Nov. 21 2010
 

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to Leñador

Does it seem curious that the pioneers in any genre are always regarded as the best, even when they are obviously technically surpassed?

In Blues, who is better than Robert Johnson or Muddy Waters?

Who plays better flamenco guitar than Manolo de Huelva?

Who sings better than Pastora or her brother Tomás? Who dances better than Carmen Amaya or El Farruco?

I believe that "best" is a word that only applies in activities which can be objectivly measured. As a result most arguments about the relative merits of various artists are often at cross purposes.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2015 18:05:37
 
tijeretamiel

 

Posts: 438
Joined: Jan. 6 2012
 

RE: Flamenco Singing Characteristics (in reply to Morante

quote:

ORIGINAL: Morante

In Blues, who is better than Robert Johnson or Muddy Waters?


I was just listening to Muddy Waters today, for the first time in about 10 years. I forgot how much I loved his music.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2015 18:54:41
Page:   [1]
All Forums >>Discussions >>General >> Page: [1]
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

0.03125 secs.