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estebanana

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RE: Just in case (in reply to BarkellWH)

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Ruphus,

Over the years your posts have detailed the cruelty toward dogs demonstrated by many of the people where you live. You have not mentioned, and I'm wondering if you are aware, that the predominate religion in the country in which you reside is inherently biased against dogs. Dogs are considered to be unclean, especially the saliva. There are several Hadith (sayings of the Prophet) that explicitly condemn dogs. Turkey has been an exception, but then Turkey has been a secular nation in its civic life since Ataturk. This religiously-driven phobia toward dogs makes your kindness toward these creatures all the more admirable and important.

Bill

It also put's Ruphus in great danger for his life and/or well being. People are not going to stop being cruel to dogs and in some ways it's foolish to live among people who will treat dogs this way. It will only trauamtize you Ruphus and as admirable as it is to defend the animals at some point you should defend yourself by leaving.

People who are cruel to dogs in this way will have some karmic consequences themselves some where, some how for this behavior.

You could probably do more good for dogs in these situations by leaving that place and working for animals rights outside that country where your voice and experiences could be heard and transmitted better.

There are in your area country bumpkins who are cruel to dogs and there are city people in urban settings who are more sophisticated who love animals. I would not color all the citizens in this country as dog kickers. But Ruphus is in a pocket of louts who are not compassionate for these animals. Nonetheless I think it would be wise to get away from these dog haters, pronto.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 15:04:21

Ruphus

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RE: Just in case (in reply to estebanana)

Sure is it foolish. Been a fool ever since. And it´s hard.

First time I was traumatized was at the age of 12 when living in an orphanage (yes, did have parents myself) in the Balkans.
Kids would grab dogs and cats and ...
Until single me flipping out against a vast of superiority would sometimes lead to release of the victims, the animals were not to survive anymore. Not for more than two days or so.

Hardly any of that crap ever left me.

Ruphus

PS:
About people stopping:
It is amzing how much image can do.
Just a few of rescuing actions spread over some (local!) media and ringing in the progressive, had an incredible effect.

See how folks in my quarter fed the little dog family of three?
It was a paradigm change in no time. In the years before there been vastly killing of litters and adult dogs by both killer squads and the people.
This year I was blown away about the change. (And think to have mentioned it somewhere on the foro back then.)

Really, there plays a huge role what be deemed as trendy. It can even effect tradition quickly, as it seems.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 15:14:27

estebanana

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RE: Just in case (in reply to Ruphus)

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PS:
About people stopping:
It is amzing how much image can do.
Just a few of rescuing actions spread over some (local!) media and ringing in the progressive, had an incredible effect.

See how folks in my quarter fed the little dog family of three?
It was a paradigm change in no time. In the years before there been vastly killing of litters and adult dogs by both killer squads and the people.
This year I was blown away about the change. (And think to have mentioned it somewhere on the foro back then.)

Really, there plays a huge role what be deemed as trendy. It can even effect tradition quickly, as it seems.

I hope you are right. And you seem set on staying the course. I hope you are safe.
Not everyone there dislikes dogs.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 16:27:09

Ruphus

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RE: Just in case (in reply to estebanana)

The vets I´m friends with estimate the percentage of dog friends (including the tolerating / indifferent fraction if I recall that right) to be at around 15% of the people.
And they don´t even trust the new situation, suspecting it to be only trend following for image reasons. (Like when guys pretend to be friendly just to impress women with up-to-date being. - Off which I believe to have witnessed a couple of scenes.)

But I have watched even more situations that appeared rather as if genuine, loving people had just dared to come out.

Originally (or ironically), people in the Middle East used to rely on and live with dogs more than any other ethnicities. Specially with big strong dogs that would guard family and cattle. They have more reasons to be grateful than anyone.

The fact that loads of intense dogma wasn´t able to fully erase the affinity, makes me wonder whether there could be a genetical preference for best friend of homo sapiens weathering. 145 000 years of companionship could certainly be enough to have produced a genetic adaption with humans.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 17:52:52

hamia

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RE: Just in case (in reply to Ruphus)

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

The fact that loads of intense dogma wasn´t able ......
Ruphus

lol!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 21:36:41

estebanana

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RE: Just in case (in reply to Ruphus)

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The fact that loads of intense dogma wasn´t able to fully erase the affinity, makes me wonder whether there could be a genetical preference for best friend of homo sapiens weathering. 145 000 years of companionship could certainly be enough to have produced a genetic adaption with human

Dogs are smarter than those who practice religious dogma. So are cats.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 1:30:12

Ruphus

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RE: Just in case - muchachos (in reply to Ruphus)

Final verdict:

2 years of jail on probation, plus fine fully retained.

It´s been hell of a time. An example of arbitrariness, unpredictability and treachery that surpassed even my worst expectations.
A jurisdiction of clerical construct that puts minor items like proof, facts, logic, witness and justice under superiority of mere opinion and bias of simple, discriminative (or just as regularly bribed) mind.

Unspeakably frustrating to be catering to evil low-life, ruining me financially; and with expenses not even over yet (if wanting to have the fine put down to lowest installments possible –which I badly want in order to prevent a sudden dorado for the low-life-, taking me at least another 5 mio. of bribe), amounting overall spending to well over 60 mio. blood tax. (In my budget the 1:1 equivalent to € 60 000.)

Yet, it would had ended way worse (not far fetched, possibly even with my death), specially without the spontaneous and intense help of a local friend.

I want to say thank you to him from the bottom of my heart.
Further kudos to a number of people who partially went to quite an extend with trying to help in manifold ways as well.

And I want to thank those who have been anxiously hoping for my best from afar; watching, inquiring, bearing with me, trying to comfort and encourage me during these near 1,5 years of plain horror.
It has been essential to feel that there are mates in place who do care about one´s life.

- And on the other hand, once again instructive to learn where one actually ranks for others whom you fancied to be closely related to. I wish you to never go through revelations of that kind.

Thank you,

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2016 8:59:02

Piwin

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RE: Just in case - muchachos (in reply to Ruphus)

Ruphus,

I've just discovered this thread and what you've been going through. Though it won't do much good coming from a total stranger, I do feel for you and hope it gets better from here.

A few years ago, I had some legal issues with the French state over the legal status of my company.
Though I had done nothing worse than a slight mistake by ignorance (of course in France the law states that ignorance of the law is no excuse, which in many ways makes sense but also has the indirect consequence of giving a dictatorial amount of power to the State.
It ended up in a fine that took me years to pay off and mainly a feeling that I was on my own and the State that was meant to protect the people could also turn out to be its executioner.

A few years ago, a work friend of mine, photographer and film-maker Christian Poveda was assassinated in Salvador. He had been working on the local gangs (divions of Mara Salvatrucha) and issued a documentary that showed the extent of corruption in the Salvadorian police and State. Though the circumstances of his assassination were never made official by the State, it is widely believed that the police orchestrated his Killing (Christian was working with some of the most violent gangs on earth and the police, to get rid of him, allegedly lied to the gangs and told them that Christian was a "snitch" working for them).

This type of injustice seems to run the gammut from a slap on the wrist to outright assassination in some places of the world. What they share is that it is a behemoth of the size of a State or a MNE that is raining down the full brunt of their power on single individuals. In such a situation, it is hard not to feel hopeless. I deeply admire your resolve and resilience in defending your own cause. Hopefully it will bear fruit. I suppose the silver lining in your sentencing is that is is only probational so that you won't have to do any actual jail time. Cheers to that, stay careful and best of luck moving forward.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2016 10:28:45

Ruphus

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RE: Just in case (in reply to estebanana)

Hi Piwin,

People of your grasp and attitude are never total strangers to me. It´s a sincere pleasure to realize how another very interesting spirit has joined this forum.

They very dictatorial amount of power that you observed is a sad reality with assumably all existing judicial methods, which are far from the ethical integrity they could be comprised of. Unfortunately, how else could it be when laws are written and ordered by ruling castes.

On top of law constructs voluntarily defending exploitation, privilege, nepotism and power there adds the partially unfathomed degree of practical arbitrariness. Patent rights undermining conduct I have already experienced in Germany.

Obviously with black lists still in place, as philanthropist and true democrat you will find yourself doomed whenever trying to defend oneself against established companies´ or combine´s blatant infringements, no matter your evidence. And the violators will know that in advance.

Yet, the degree of western judicial misuse compares like peccadillo to the court practice of a religious doctrine that is based on upside-down worldview, principles, cruelty and arbitrariness from the get go.

Stuffed will all facts to your advantage, as a western mind you may enter court with confidence, to then see the ground simply pulled from underneath your feet. And you will be dazed. Keeping up, trying to fight and defend yourself. (Had I just followed local customs of appeasing the suitor regardless, it would had cost me "only" some 15 grands or so.)

Not giving in to the crouched whispering being that´s being expected from everyone and from your presentenced case to beg rural spirited highness´ mercy.

And your insisting on justice will merely be perceived as ramblings of an outrageous rebel who´d be in need for a little disciplining, earning you nothing but ill will.

So, I escaped jail by only a hair, while a low-life human trash of truly utmost shabby category is to celebrate a pecuniary booty that he otherwise never had a chance to gain in life / could not have saved up in decades.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 16 2016 12:23:41