!!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Challenge!!!

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Leñador

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!!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Challenge!!!

John Walsh was kind enough to supply us transcriptions for a beautiful Solea falseta he wrote and I think it's time we get a challenge going!
My thought is, we basically do our best to just play his falseta, best we can. Any BPM you want, keep in mind playing clean and slow is obviously better than playing fast and sloppy.
You can play a couple of compas before and after of rhythm strumming if you like but it's not required.
I'm going to say no clicks or rhythms for this and here's my reasons. One, It's solea, it doesn't NEED it. Two, not everyone can record well and if you've spent any time in the swap shop you can see many people end up recording the clicks louder than the guitar. I'm likely just as guilty as anyone else.
I think also, maybe you can modify slightly some of the rasgueados if you need to but it's got to be a reasonable reproduction of what we've been given.
I'm happy to organize, although since I want to participate I just wont do any judging.

Please share your thoughts and whether or not you'd be willing to participate.

This is who we've got so far.
-Me
-Dudnote
-SrMartins
-siliconsoniquete
-johnnefastis
-Chester
-Neoritz

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Escribano

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Well done, I have a number of prizes to choose from, so send me PM to discuss.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 19:48:27

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Lenny, I want you to be able to judge too.

I can suggest a method I used on a challenge I organized on another forum. I have a cloud based service that allows this and I can provide it to the challenge.

Here's what I did:

- Participants had to prepare a mp3 file (at least 192kbps please!) and name it according to a mix that was "a guitar brand" + "household electronic device brand". That would give something like "Fender Singer.mp3", "Gibson Bosch.mp3", etc.

- Somewhere before the deadline, a link would be supplied. All you had to do was drag & drop your mp3 to that screen before the deadline (the link can be set to expire at a programmed time). Done.

I could provide this and give you the final download link after the deadline. Another option would be for you to add that link to your first post and everyone could download or stream directly from there.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 20:03:03

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Prizes people! You can't beat it! You'll learn something AND you may have a souvenir of the time you spanked a group of other guitar players! What guitar player doesn't want that?????

Rui mentioned to me in PM adding an element of creativity to this. I'm not opposed but I want it to MAINLY be a technical challenge. "Can you play this well and with proper feel.". My first thought on this would be maybe require a couple of compas before the falseta of rhythm strumming, if you can do something to really compliment and launch the falseta than more points but I'm open to more suggestions....

Ahhhh nice idea on the upload method Rui! I like it, we can discuss the logistics of it as we get closer but that sounds like the way to go....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 20:03:53

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Well, maybe we could add something to the beginning and to the end to sandwich the whole thing while keeping the meat as intact as possible.

Points for:

- bread (our own)
- meat (Walsh's meat...)
- seasoning (aire?)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 20:08:32

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

I'm hungry now.....

Bread meat and seasoning...mmmmm....

I dig it, I like that method Rui! You could either be Bimbo bread from the 99 cent store or boutique sourdough with 200 year old starter lolol

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 20:13:18

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Iam more like "Juan Martin's Loaf"

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 20:17:15

siliconsoniquete

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Count me in! Sounds fun. Great falseta.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 21:22:57

siliconsoniquete

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Also where are the transcriptions?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 21:25:31

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Great!

I'll get them to you, John may work up some more detailed ones if this thing happens. I think we need AT LEAST 7-10 entries......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 21:43:08

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

I think we need AT LEAST 7-10 entries......

Don't forget to mention the prizes.

Maybe we could get some string brand to help us out.. D'Addario is the only brand that comes to mind right now but maybe there are other representatives that look around the forum and might stumble upon this.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 21:49:20

johnnefastis

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

Don't forget to mention the prizes.

And that second prize is that nice wooden Capo that Ricardo wanted. I still want
to see him not come first.

Whats the Schedule Leñador.... this is pretty tough stuff to get through. :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 21:57:15

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

I figure we'd be pretty liberal a month or two maybe??
We need code name categories too.....
Movie villains? Have we done that?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:04:31

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

We need code name categories too.....
Movie villains? Have we done that?

How about a mix? Remember that if we go with my entry method no one will be checking the entries... and we don't want repeats.

Spanish Female name + Movie Villain's surname ... what do you think?

So... let's go straight with the bread, right?

Regarding ratings... one value only descending from order of preference or 2 separate values (for Technique (how close it is) and Aire (personal touch))? Small comment would be nice too...

Ideas?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:17:31

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

Spanish Female name + Movie Villain's surname ... what do you think?

Sounds good to me!

quote:

Regarding ratings... one value only descending from order of preference or 2 separate values (for Technique (how close it is) and Aire (personal touch))? Small comment would be nice too...

I like that, I see technique more as "sound quality of the notes" (IE muffled/missed/weak) and Aire as feel & rhythm/compas.....que no?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:43:09

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

This list would be enough for the first part:

http://www.20000-names.com/female_spanish_names.htm

quote:

I like that, I see technique more as "sound quality of the notes" (IE muffled/missed/weak) and Aire as feel & rhythm/compas.....que no?

Exactly what I thought. The first part would be the "cold evaluation" and the second one is the taste (warmness hehe) of the interpretation.

Want to rate both separately? That would be something like this:

Submitted File - "Adelmira Predator.mp3"

The actual rating process (among 9 total participants):

Adelmira Predator - 9, 7

...which would mean that Adelmira was your favourite regarding technique but came in 3rd place regarding aire.. makes sense? Want something else?

edit: the final score for the podium chart would be the sum of both.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:50:56

chester

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

Please share your thoughts and whether or not you'd be willing to participate.

Damn that falseta's complicated! I think even John Petrucci might need a transcription for it.

Anyway, I'm down and will try not to disappoint. What's the timeframe here?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:52:51

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to chester)

quote:

I think even John Petrucci might need a transcription for it.

Iam not picturing Petrucci losing the pick and doing all that. I think the transcription would be the least of his problems.

One month, two months?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:56:41

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Maybe a 1-10 rating no matter how many entries and we total the two like this.

Contestant: Filamona Drago
Technique: 3
Aire: 2
Total score: 5
Comments:
Your name is ugly and you have horrible compas. Stop nose breathing into the microphone. (Obviously we'll be nicer in real life...)

Just trying to keep it simple as possible.....

quote:

Anyway, I'm down and will try not to disappoint. What's the timeframe here?

Great! I'll put you down. Nothing official yet but I'm thinkin 2 months is plenty......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 22:56:55

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

This? Looks clean...

Filomena Drago - 3 + 2 = 5 - You still have a long way before you master deep throat.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 23:02:42

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

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Nothing official yet but I'm thinkin 2 months is plenty......

I fear that too much time will make some of us lose focus. Maybe one month? Begins 1st of May (today) with 31st May as the deadline?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 23:11:07

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

I'm personally fine with a month, let's get a little consensus before we seal the deal.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 23:17:08

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

We could start with one month and then add weeks if most of us feel it's not enough. This way we avoid making it two months and having people forgetting about it during the first month.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 23:25:09

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

For the Official Thread, a few hints:

Your first post (Lenny) has all the rules. It should also state the following:

A participant is automatically signed up by adding ONE and ONLY ONE post to that thread. Just write your name, foro nickname, doesn't matter. This post will be used in the future for you to edit it two times AFTER the submission deadline:

1 - To place your votes (including in yourself..we don't know who you are)

2 - To disclose your own alias with total sum and remove the self voting AFTER the votes are closed.

eg.

Filomena Drago - 3 + 2 = 5 - You still have a long way before you master deep throat.

Filomena Drago - 125 - It's me!

edit:

Dates needed:

- mp3 submission period (from 29th to 31st maybe?)
- votes (1st to 5th of June?)
- show your faces! (if you don't do this, you're out) - (6th to 8th?)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 30 2015 23:37:34

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Word, Imma let this thread ride just a bit longer then do the more official one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 0:24:02

ddawson2013

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Don from D'Addario Strings here - Rui contacted me regarding "THE CHALLENGE" and we'll gladly provide a few prizes -

We can do a 1st prize (5 sets of strings plus some Planet Waves Accessories)
2nd Prize - 3 sets and a headstock tuner
3rd Prize - 1 set and a headstock tuner

Let me know if this will work. Winners can choose their string gauge and Pro-Arte preference. My email is don.dawson2@daddario.com if you have any other questions. Looking for to hearing a few of the competitors!

Don Dawson
Social Media Manager
D'Addario

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 13:04:16

tri7/5

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Props to D'Addario for helping out the foro.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 13:22:14

Leñador

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

Wow Don awesome!!! It's REALLY appreciated!
C'mon peoples lets get a few more entries here!

In the video John is playing this super fast, maybe near 130bpm. I've slowed it down to about 80bpm and it's still sounds really nice. I can picture entries coming in as slow as 70bpm still being completely valid and if played well even taking the prize....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 13:29:25

johnnefastis

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

That's a cool donation thanks Don,

I uploaded a vid of me playing a bit of it in the falsetta swap shop.
That was 80 bpm and I messed up a bit. That's defo my Max at the mo.

Anyone else gonna join in ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 13:37:38

Sr. Martins

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RE: !!!John Walsh Solea Falseta Chal... (in reply to Leñador)

In my opinion we should make clear what is to be voted as Technique and what is Aire.

Technique would be more towards the "are all the pitches in there and do they sound cleanly?" but without caring so much for the rhythm. If you miss notes or make some passages blurred, you'll lose points.

As opposed to that, Aire would be "compas, expressiveness, etc" and your personal touch wouldn't be seen as "a failure". If you do a different rasgueo or accent, you wouldn't lose points (might even win them) but if you lose compas or get your r.h. fingers trapped between the strings, that would cost you some.

What do you guys think?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 1 2015 13:41:05