Foro Flamenco
Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out



Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.
This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira and Philip John Lee who went ahead of us too soon.
We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.





About the soul of guitar. Just for sharing.   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1]
Login
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>
 
jmb

Posts: 119
Joined: Oct. 14 2014
From: Vallecas - Madrid - Spain

About the soul of guitar. Just for s... 

Surely is in the forum. But I did not find it.



_____________________________

Suenas payo ¡y lo sabes!

Sing and string - other flamenco blog
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2015 11:47:47
 
Ricardo

Posts: 11060
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

Interesting. I agree about the microphone issue...but I am curious about luthier's thoughts on the pitch issue...he says a master guitar has to be lower pitch to be good quality. In my experience, flamenco guitars with a lower pitch often have a nice punch and bottom end, but oddly lack in the trebel response. Most guitars I find are closer to pitch A or G#...and guitars I prefer don't have too much of the actual frequency jumping out as it makes the guitar unbalanced.

Ricardo

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2015 16:21:49
 
estebanana

 

Posts: 7502
Joined: Oct. 16 2009
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

F# but with a top thats not 'slack', I shoot for F# and G# A is to high, gets fincky.

La Leona is one amazing sounding guitar, did the bridge, no saddle.

_____________________________

https://www.stephenfaulkguitars.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2015 17:12:50
 
Cloth Ears

 

Posts: 152
Joined: Apr. 26 2005
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

Fascinating stuff. How do I find out what my guitars soundboards are tuned to?

------
@ 3:47 My Berber friend Said with his Martin steel string in Mirador San Nicholas. He plays like Michael Hedges et al. and is the most relaxed person I have ever met. I will have to send him the link!

_____________________________

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2015 17:56:55
 
guitarbuddha

 

Posts: 2969
Joined: Jan. 4 2007
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

I'm far more concerned by the player's phrasing and harmonic awareness than I am interested in the sound of this guitar.

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2015 18:05:00
 
SephardRick

Posts: 354
Joined: Apr. 11 2014
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

Those bass strings are robust!

It just goes to show how luthiers are a breed apart. For a guitar without a saddle it works and sounds remarkably well. What player thought, that a saddle was not a necessary functioning part of the guitar?

_____________________________

Rick
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2015 20:14:03
 
johnguitar

 

Posts: 134
Joined: Jan. 10 2006
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

I have infinite respect for working guitar-makers, especially ones who make excellent instruments. The theories and fantasies of an engineer and "restorer" about great guitars are not so interesting. Here is some information about Benno Streu http://liuto-forte.com/team_streu_benno_en.html It is written by someone who has great respect for him but it does support the information I have that he never made a guitar. He was one of those people who tried to tell guitar-makers how to make guitars whithout having a clue! I have never heard anything so ridiculous as: "In master grade instruments (guitars) this note (F zero) is F#." I'll stop now because I am getting hot under the collar as I write.

_____________________________

John Ray
blog: http://www.granadaexpert.com/johnray/
https://www.johnguitar.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 9:47:48
 
Anders Eliasson

Posts: 5779
Joined: Oct. 18 2006
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

quote:

He was one of those people who tried to tell guitar-makers how to make guitars whithout having a clue!


oh - oh, remember that you are writing on a forum where there are many members trying to do the same...
I´ll stop now as well.

_____________________________

See the guitars I have for sale here:
http://news-from-the-workshop.blogspot.com.es/p/guitars-for-sale.html

Fine flamenco and classical guitars: www.eliassonguitars.com
Blog: http://news-from-the-workshop.blogspot.com/
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 10:04:55
 
Thomas

Posts: 225
Joined: Oct. 5 2005
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

What a nice find! Benno Streu lived in my hometown and was a really generous man with a big heart for guitarists and their instruments.
He and his wife always were smoking like hyperactive volcanos so that the guitars still were stinking two weeks after they left his house....
When I first met him he had one hand in the soundhole and the other was holding the inevitable cigarette, he looked at me and said: "You have to treat the guitar like a woman"....and his wife eagerly agreed.

_____________________________

TeFau Studio Thomas Vogt
Cuadro Sur Guitar Trio
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 11:18:27
 
Sr. Martins

Posts: 3034
Joined: Apr. 4 2011
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to Thomas

quote:

When I first met him he had one hand in the soundhole and the other was holding the inevitable cigarette, he looked at me and said: "You have to treat the guitar like a woman"....and his wife eagerly agreed.


Yes there such thing as a "G fan brace"?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 11:37:27
 
estebanana

 

Posts: 7502
Joined: Oct. 16 2009
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

He is an amazing guitarist. http://www.wulfin-lieske.de/english/nav0.html

I don't know who the guy in the video is Benno, or if he knows anything, but it should not matter. The F# comment might be some thing he has heard from builders. Many very fine makers consider the F# to G# range for the main air resonance to be a median area to hit. The guy may not in fact know anything, but what he said is not controversial.

I was checking out the La Leona a few years ago when Wulfin Lieske came into owning it. He made a recording with it that is pretty nice. It really does interest me that this guitar sounds some wonderful but has not saddle, the bridge is really like large baroque guitar bridge. Its one of the few guitars I have an itch to make a bench copy of, but of course I'll probably never even get to see it in person in my life. But if I could I would like to copy that one as carefully as I could.

He is good player too and the composers he chooses to play are not what most other guitarists are going for. The guy Benno may be a crackpot, but for some reason Lieske lets him handle his Torres.


" He and his wife always were smoking like hyperactive volcanos"

This is really funny, next time I meet a chain smoker I will remember this.

_____________________________

https://www.stephenfaulkguitars.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 14:31:21
 
SephardRick

Posts: 354
Joined: Apr. 11 2014
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to estebanana

quote:

The guy Benno may be a crackpot, but for some reason Lieske lets him handle his Torres


Excellent point.

From Thomas' personal dealings with Benno and his wife, he seems like good folk to me.

_____________________________

Rick
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2015 15:08:38
 
Ricardo

Posts: 11060
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to SephardRick

quote:

ORIGINAL: SephardRick

Those bass strings are robust!

It just goes to show how luthiers are a breed apart. For a guitar without a saddle it works and sounds remarkably well. What player thought, that a saddle was not a necessary functioning part of the guitar?


I talked about this for a while now, about how the break angle ain't no big deal as we had to repair a students's guitar that had the string holes damaged such that you could not lower the bone. Actually we lowered the bone for sake of action and there was zero break angle and the resulte was the guitar was clear and loud as before....so you can take any bone out of the bridge the guitar sounds just fine (so long as neck angle allows the action to clear the frets for a clean enough sound)... but there was a problem we noticed. The strings rattle or buzz at the bridge, and annoyingly so if you play hard. So it is as if the saddle functions only to allow the player to fine tune he action, and prevent buzzing.

So the guy playing in the video with no saddle has that annoying buzzing at the bridge I am talking about, but the guitar is as loud as any other thanks to the action being high enough. About the song the guy is playing, the first thing that hit my mind when I heard the intro was Caracol:
http://youtu.be/jQgb6oRgHUQ

About the old guy being nutty, it's what I thought, though faulk seems to agree that that many luthier seem to think it IS important (about F# vs other being ideal), a clear divide in opinion. Interesting.

Ricardo

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 1 2015 16:27:35
 
SephardRick

Posts: 354
Joined: Apr. 11 2014
 

RE: About the soul of guitar. Just f... (in reply to jmb

Ricardo,

Thanks for sharing some insight on the bridge only design. That makes perfect sense that a saddle is used for adjusting the action. It is much easier to change out a saddle than a bridge.

_____________________________

Rick
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 1 2015 16:37:32
Page:   [1]
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1]
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

0.140625 secs.