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Turron

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A good video for learning bulerias a... 

Rancapino's son and Miguel Salado do a nice slow buleria and you can see both of Miguel's hands most of the time. A great one for learning (and enjoying!)

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Turron

indeed. Thanks for sharing!
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Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Turron

Muchas graciss Turron, this is perfect study material.

Does anyone reckognise the letras here? My knowledge of spanish and letras is too poor.
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Turron

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Turron

Miguel's dad works at Jerez town council and he helped me with my car tax. But we always ended up talking about flamenco

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Dudnote

todo lo que me pidas,yo te lo darè,
si me pides olvidarte te lo negarè.

Hay¡ tu le estas pidiendo a dios,
hay¡ tu le estas pidiendo a dios
que mi madre se muriera,ya mi madre se muriò
ya no hay quien te quiera,que menos te voy a querer yo.

que quieres de mì,que quieres de mì
si hasta el agua en que yo me mojo
te la tengo que pedir.

Duèrmete Juanito mìo,de mis entrañas
que eres lo mas bonito que vi en España.
Duèrmete gitanito que vienen soles
que te voy a hacer una cunita de caracoles.

llegare eeeee-aaaaaa
mi niño si tù duermes
dormido se queda.

Hay¡vàlgame dios,hay¡vàlgame dios
que alegrìa tienes que fascinaciòn
ley,lo lo ley lo lay,lo lo ley lo lay,
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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to rodrigo68

Muchas gracias rodrigo68!!!!



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Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Dudnote

Here's an attempt to translate using google and some complete guess work where google got confused. How did I do?

Everything you ask me , I will give you,
if you ask me forget you deny it .

Hay¡ you're asking God ,
hay¡ you're asking God
my mother died, and my mother died
there is no one who loves you , unless I 'm going to love you.

you want me, you want from me
if the water until I get wet
I have the will to ask.

My Duermete Juanito, of my body
you are the most beautiful that I saw in Spain .
Duermete gitanito who comes alone
I 'll make you a cradle of snails.

cometh eeeee - aaaaaa
my child if you sleep
He falls asleep .

Hay¡ vàlgame god, hay¡ vàlgame god
That joy has such fascination
ley,lo lo ley lo lay,lo lo ley lo lay,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2015 0:43:48
 
chester

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Dudnote

if only someone would make ME a a cradle of snails
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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Turron

Is the woman actually there or is she the ghost of a woman who used to live there??

can they see her? shes freaking me out
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ramon roman

 

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Turron

can any one tell me the chords he is playing?? and the progressions?? I get lost after the Bflat thanks I love that sound
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Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to ramon roman

I love this sort of question and declare a race is on. First one to post progressions for every letra wins. Go!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 10 2015 0:27:34
 
Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Stu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu
Is the woman actually there or is she the ghost of a woman who used to live there??

can they see her? shes freaking me out

She gets a dirty look of Rancapino Chico at 1:02 when she coughs.

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Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to rodrigo68

Did I totally mess up the translation of...
quote:

que quieres de mì,que quieres de mì
si hasta el agua en que yo me mojo
te la tengo que pedir.


Is this any better?

What do you want of me? What do you want of me?
If later the water gets me wet
I will have to ask you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 10 2015 1:45:28
 
Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to ramon roman

Ra Ra Ra! Great question - you actually got me studying cante accomp instead of noodling about aimlessly like I usually do.

Here's a jpg copy from a pdf scan of some scrappy paper notes. The pdf is slightly clearer, send me a PM if you'd like that too.

You'll see, I don't know what to call chords half the time. I started calling one Gm7+g# and then decided it was really better off as B♭7. Then there is the one used a lot when singers go high, I always used to think of it as Dm even though there is a #5, but it's Dm in the sense that it often starts a cadence to A, but when you look at it it is only B♭ played on just the top 4 string, can't say which is "right", but I call it B♭(2) here.

When different voicings of the same chord are used I use (1) (2) and (3) to point to the "chord diagrams" at the top. If I just write C7 it will be C7(1). Actually, that chord is really C7+2 or C7+d, but no one writes that every time do they?

The move when he goes C7(2) -> F7 (perhaps it has a fancy name) I remember Ricardo has a video somewhere where he discusses that and how Manuel Morao would do the chords in the opposite order followed by a half compas thing.

For the outro you have a cycle of 4ths which is very common as an outro, except the first time he plays it he does a chromatic variation which was a new one for me. The second time he plays it it's more standard.

I don't know what you call it when a chord or part of a chord is held and one note is placed on-off-on-off-on-off for effect. It must have a name, it's the epitome of classy accomp playing. I tried to write out some of the on-offs as +c -c +c -c, but gave up and started using ±c as a shorthand instead.

Hope that helps. It certainly helped me!!

My aim in life now is to be able to copy Miguel Salado's facial expressions when I play guitar, or write and email, or trip over the cat, or take a dump, or.... or... or... He is the Guitar Buddha!

Talking of which, anyone know what happened to our GuitarBuddha?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 10 2015 4:21:51
 
Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to ramon roman

quote:

ORIGINAL: ramon roman
can any one tell me the chords he is playing?? .... I love that sound

Just to be sure...

You do know the single most important chord in all of this is the diminished 7th chord right? That's why after "que vienen soles" he holds down A7 and goes ± b♭ on the 5th string. Or hold down A and ± b♭ on the 3rd string. The great thing with Dim7 chords is you slide them 3 frets and you've got the same chord. Slide-bang, slide-bang, slide-bang, slide-bang, rasguedo, finish on A at 10 -- you've just gone improvised a remate.

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Ricardo

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Dudnote

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dudnote

Ra Ra Ra! Great question - you actually got me studying cante accomp instead of noodling about aimlessly like I usually do.

Here's a jpg copy from a pdf scan of some scrappy paper notes. The pdf is slightly clearer, send me a PM if you'd like that too.

You'll see, I don't know what to call chords half the time. I started calling one Gm7+g# and then decided it was really better off as B♭7. Then there is the one used a lot when singers go high, I always used to think of it as Dm even though there is a #5, but it's Dm in the sense that it often starts a cadence to A, but when you look at it it is only B♭ played on just the top 4 string, can't say which is "right", but I call it B♭(2) here.

When different voicings of the same chord are used I use (1) (2) and (3) to point to the "chord diagrams" at the top. If I just write C7 it will be C7(1). Actually, that chord is really C7+2 or C7+d, but no one writes that every time do they?

The move when he goes C7(2) -> F7 (perhaps it has a fancy name) I remember Ricardo has a video somewhere where he discusses that and how Manuel Morao would do the chords in the opposite order followed by a half compas thing.

For the outro you have a cycle of 4ths which is very common as an outro, except the first time he plays it he does a chromatic variation which was a new one for me. The second time he plays it it's more standard.

I don't know what you call it when a chord or part of a chord is held and one note is placed on-off-on-off-on-off for effect. It must have a name, it's the epitome of classy accomp playing. I tried to write out some of the on-offs as +c -c +c -c, but gave up and started using ±c as a shorthand instead.

Hope that helps. It certainly helped me!!

My aim in life now is to be able to copy Miguel Salado's facial expressions when I play guitar, or write and email, or trip over the cat, or take a dump, or.... or... or... He is the Guitar Buddha!

Talking of which, anyone know what happened to our GuitarBuddha?


Would do you some good to take a music theory class to clear up your terminology ... Sort of mixing up enharmonics, symbols/concepts of chord construction and numbers there. The video is good because it is slow. Guitarist I know from Gerardo's curso in sanlucar. The Letras are all pretty much Camaron/la Perla standards .... Not the most orthodox thing to learn first as new accompanist ... In case of new comers to this topic we already have a great cante accompaniment thread with more useful materials

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Dudnote

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Ricardo

For a minute there Ricardo I thought you might tell me the jargon for that on off on off thing you hear all the time, or how you write that in short hand on a sheet when joting down chords as I did here.

Point taken about the theory classes - but if I take them here all I'll learn is the difference between Lewoz, Kaladja, Pagenbel, Toumblak, Grage, Roulé and Mindé. Any favorite books that you'd recommend which are understandable, straightforward and useful, without being superfluous, to a wannabe flamenco guitarist?

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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Dudnote

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but if I take them here all I'll learn is the difference between Lewoz, Kaladja, Pagenbel, Toumblak, Grage, Roulé and Mindé.


Forget all this because it is really easy. You only need to know the cante. Forget complicated chords and follow the singer; Miguel makes several mistakes but nobody minds. He is from Jerez and still does not understand bulerías de Cádiz. He had to accompany Perico Bancalero in the Peña de Juan Villar the other night in a fin de fiesta and he was lost. He will be very good with time, just like Higuero.
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RE: A good video for learning buleri... (in reply to Morante

quote:

ORIGINAL: Morante

quote:

but if I take them here all I'll learn is the difference between Lewoz, Kaladja, Pagenbel, Toumblak, Grage, Roulé and Mindé.


Forget all this because it is really easy. You only need to know the cante. Forget complicated chords and follow the singer; Miguel makes several mistakes but nobody minds. He is from Jerez and still does not understand bulerías de Cádiz. He had to accompany Perico Bancalero in the Peña de Juan Villar the other night in a fin de fiesta and he was lost. He will be very good with time, just like Higuero.


The singer and the interpretations he is copying are gitanos de Cadiz ... But those bulerias are not "bulerias de Cadiz"... Don't confuse poor folks

...and after all, those singers were always best accompanied by jerezanos anyway

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