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Miguel de Maria
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Skai,
check this out, it's pretty good.
Climb Every Mountain http://www.guitarprinciples.com/Newsletter/Titles.html (Jamey Andreas)
The longer I teach, the more I am impressed with one unassailable fact: most of what becoming good or great on the guitar is about has nothing to do with "musical ability". It has everything to do with that group of qualities loosely spoken of as "character".
When I was 16 years old, I met a friend who enabled me to put an end to my desperate search for a classical teacher. Scott played the classical guitar, and was taking classical guitar lessons at a music school I had never heard of before. I started going to the school immediately, and I took lessons with his teacher. It was thrilling to meet Scott, because I had never seen a person play the classical guitar in person, only heard it on records (and from that, was trying to teach myself: wrong move!). It was more thrilling to meet his teacher, a trained, experienced, and fine classical player.
As time went by, I remember going over to Scott's house often and playing guitar with him, and hanging out and practicing and playing at his house. After awhile, it became clear that I was surpassing Scott in my classical playing. His mother was a very astute and intelligent person, and would always listen to me play. I remember that she used to remark about a difference she noticed between my relationship and approach to guitar and that of her son Scott. She noticed that I applied myself with an intensity that Scott never exhibited. For instance, she noticed that I would work relentlessly on the same piece, the same passages, the same problems, always striving to reach a higher level of perfection with what I was playing. For whatever reason, Scott just did not do this. (Actually, all reasons come down to one thing: I needed to do it that way, and Scott didn't. The entire "why" of it all would be another essay!)
Believe me, Scott had as much ability to play as I did, as much "natural talent" for music. It took him so far, and apparently, that was far enough for him.
I am in the business of building excellent guitar players, and so, I must convey a certain truth to them along the way, one that does not seem to be obvious and sufficiently appreciated by most people. It is this: it is relatively easy to achieve about 80% of anything. It is relatively easy to develop ourselves to about 80% of proficiency in any field we may choose. If you want to become a computer programmer, a business person, own a restaurant, be a carpenter, be a musician, anything, you can study it, get experience, and become "functional". Most people that bother to develop something useful ( and most do, being forced as we are to "make a living") achieve this level.
But to become really good, to start to rise above, and noticeably so, the average person doing what you do, THAT takes a whole different kind of effort, and a whole lot more of it. Most people do not do this in their particular field. Most people really are, when it comes down to it, content with doing what they "must", and keeping their standards and goals low enough to avoid too much demand and discomfort. That is why the age old lament of all employers is "you just can't find good help anymore". Yes, because the #1 goal of most people is to DO as little as possible and GET as much as possible. That is the formula for mediocrity.
To put it simply, it is easy to be mediocre, that is why so many people are achieving it.
We are all climbing a mountain. In fact, we are climbing various mountains all the time. Becoming a guitar player is a mountain, and every piece of music you work on is its own mountain. It is easy to work on a solo, a song, or a piece, and get it "pretty good". You know, 80% of the notes are there, so hey, leave me alone, what do you want, ALL the notes! Come on, I would have to REALLY work hard on it to get that! To bring a piece of music from 80% to 90% is an incredibly demanding process. Climbing that mountain further and further is the essence of being an artist, no matter what your field of endeavor is.
Yes, that is the truth. It is easy to get 80% of the way up the mountain, any interested party can do that. Closing in on that last 20%, well, that separates the men from the boys, as they say. Here is the thing to understand: every step forward and upward required to move past the common crowd will most likely require as much as ALL the effort previously put out. The higher we climb, the more we must exert for every inch gained, but every inch is precious, and worth more than everything before it. The gap between 99% to 100% is, in fact, infinite.
Yes, the real polish, the real excellence, comes only to those deeply committed to it. I don't know why, I didn't make up the rules. However, I believe it has something to do with some natural "filtering out" process. As if Life were saying "only those acting from great desire, great need of the highest kind, need apply. Only those willing to prove themselves by using every ounce, and then more, of their strength, will achieve greatness".
This is why it is very common for me to have the kind of experience I just had with a student who is working with my two books, The Principles, and The Path. Jim is working on getting his first songs together, beginning to end, strumming, changing chords and singing, and doing it from memory. He was working on the song "Amazing Grace", and has dutifully practiced the chord changes according to my instructions, and was in the process of putting it all together. I told him I wanted the song memorized, and showed him how to go about it.
He came in the next week, and announced that he did some practice on it, but really spent most of the time on the new blues shuffle I had given him. Obviously, it was "spanking time", and I reached for the paddle!
I explained to him "yes, you have achieved the ability to play that song with a lot of hesitation and stumbling, and losing your place. Congratulations. You have climbed part way up the mountain, and that is good enough for you. You decided you would do what was easy, fun, and exciting, the new blues shuffle (exciting because it is new, left up to him, it would receive the same treatment, left half done and never "polished"). You decided to avoid the REAL work of bringing that song all the way to perfection, where you can grab that guitar, and sing and play that song from beginning to end."
Yes, Jim hung his head in shame, and admitted I was right, and resolved to do better!
What I was doing was preventing the swerving toward mediocrity that was already beginning to assert itself for this new student, by giving him the attitude that leads to good and great playing. Now, understand that this student is not intending on being a professional, and in fact is an adult with many responsibilities, and so gets little time to practice, sometimes only a few minutes a day. It doesn't matter. That is no excuse for letting months go by, and ending up with a bunch of butchered and dismembered "pieces" of music that are just that: nothing but pieces!
Whatever level of player or student you are, you must always demand excellence from yourself. And that does NOT mean "do it to the best of your ability". Who knows what ability any of us have. It means "do what must be done to achieve the goal". And that implies you HAVE a goal, and that it is the correct goal. Ultimately, our goal should be to be able to say "as far as I can see, I have climbed".
Segovia, when asked how much he practiced said "as much as I need to". He meant "I work as hard as I have to in order to achieve my vision of what I know is possible".
The artist is constantly climbing, growing into our abilities, constantly surprised at what our striving brings out of us. There is always a new height coming into view, and we climb it because it is there. As time goes by, we occasionally look down at the view and are amazed at how high we have climbed. People below us may look up at us in amazement at the height we have achieved. They may applaud, and the sound of that applause can be like a siren song to some, who may decide to stop and listen, and forget to get up and move on.
A true artist (whether it is your first day playing or your 50th year) will soon lose interest in that, and turn their gaze upward once more, and begin moving once again toward their vision, to the height that remains out of sight for others, and can only be seen and achieved because of the height already attained.
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sorin popovici
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From: Iasi, Romania
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to XXX)
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Grisha , if u 're still here ....I want to asku smth.Beeing able to play some
Paco de Lucia and Nunez.How do u find Nunez stuff?
Is it the guy that unbelievable...I mean we all know he is , but still until u have
a piece of his under your fingers it's hard to apreciate all the little details.
Btw , have u meet Nunez also ?
Also another technical thing ....I've heared that in the begining u played some
Paco de Lucia transcribing yourself from records...now , my question is
the basics in flamenco ...where did u get them?Used a method ...yout
father helped u as he already knew the basics?
Now,it's not that hard we have it all transcribed for us ...and ready to be practiced
but I imagine that u weren't all that lucky .
So , do u remember how u started in flamenco ...and how did u evoluate ?
Every player here says smth like ..."well , that book opened my eyes".
Did u have such a book?
Damn , lots of things to ask .Meet Sharon Isbin,John Williams ,Christopher Parkening...etc?
Still ..have a million questions left 
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Date Dec. 29 2005 15:03:47
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Grisha)
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By the way, yesterday I saw a couple of videos of Ricardo playing. It was my first time. He is one hell of a player! It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about picado, because his seems to be as fast as Paco's.
Yes I am as fast...in my dreams!  I have given my thoughts on picado plenty in the past, sometimes it becomes an arguement. Everything said, nail shape, staccato, rhythmic control. Interesting your comments maestro, regarding tension. I agree, there has to be some if you play fuerte with feeling. When I am not warmed up, I feel the burn and run out of gas quick. If I am warm, I can go faster, longer, more accurate, etc. Also, I notice if I don't eat well during the day.
Honestly, I am way under PDL' speed and control. The better I get, the furthur away his level seems. The interesting thing about art, is that the little details mean a lot to someone who understands. Like poor Salieri in the Amadeus movie. Lot's of folk did not get or like Mozart, but Salieri was getting torn apart by everynote. PDL tears me apart, as he does to many others. It is good that many can write him off as a "jazz fusion" player, to avoid themselves the pain guys like me endure.
Ricardo
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Date Dec. 29 2005 19:59:58
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to sorin popovici)
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But got a glimpse of the man Gerardo Nunez...I mean what does he listens, eats,drinks
...does he smoke, does he like coffee ....anything weird ?
You are getting off topic, but here is one. Despite the late night juergas, you see Gerardo everymorning going to class early, riding his little motor bike, with his guitar on his shoulder, and his coffee to go. He does not smoke or do drugs that I have seen (and I have seen lots of flamencos doing that stuff), but he drinks manzanilla and coffee like most andalusions.
So one night, after accompanying Rafael de Utrera in a mini impromtu concert, he handed his Conde guitar to a random student to use in the juerga that was starting. He was wearing blue jeans, T-shirt and sneakers. I approached him to tell him how great it was. After halking a luggy (spitting) onto the street, he said "Bonito, no?", then jumped on his bike and peeled out, giving his teenage daughter a quick ride home before more partying. Very down to earth guy,if you know what I mean.
Here is photo from a few years back of me teaching Gerardo how Jucal goes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/RicardoM/GerardoandRichard.jpg
Ricardo
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Date Dec. 29 2005 21:35:39
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carlos soto
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Joined: Oct. 22 2005
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to XXX)
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I just saw a tv show called Brainman in which a guy could calculate any number with no tought at all, in fact he was just reading a ''map'' in his head in order to tell whichever the numbers were. There was also a kid who could draw amazingly and a guy whoo could read a page in 8 seconds but both of them were socially unable to succeed, only the first guy had the ability of the math and social skills. This actually proves that we can be born in some way to be good at something, but actually it also means that we can addapt to do whatever we do as an habit, like the math sabant who addapted his ability to the social scheme, of course there is people that is born uncapable, but most humans have the potential to do something by addapting to it.
I was also reading some stuff of how our brain works and aparently we have ''two'' brains the right and the left side perform different tasks, for instance one brain controls the graphic memory and the physical aspect and the other brain controls logic and sequence funtions, for some actions we need only one brain and the other would only interfere with the one performing(when having sex)the action, but overall the best and more lucid way of doing something is when we are using both brains in armony, and that's why you can understand something the best when you see it from every possible dimesion, that is graphically, mathematically and with words. I just think when composing something this could be the key, in order to have ideas you need one part of the brain to be really crazy(thats the poet brain) but you also need the logical brain to give order to the craziness... Sorry for changing the topic but I just think this is key if we are talking about being an artist, we should not only play well but also have something to communicate, for me that's art, to tell something, and it's a long way up but that's my aspiration.
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Henrik , why practice so much .....dont u believe in talent ? 
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