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 RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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Nealf,... I or rather we all know that lines you wrote. Its not only the amount of time, but at the end of the day time is an important factor, too. You will probably not play the same 1,2,3,4 excersize everyday for 5 years will you?
You get advanced and play also other things, but that happens only in time. So there is again a relationship with advancing in playing and time, because in order to do the harder excersizes you have to control the easy ones and so on...
I dont think that the differences are that big as youve mentioned nealf. You have to see it in long term for at least months or years. And you musnt compare different things like practising in front of tv or things like that.
If somebody needs 2 hours for something for which another comparable talented or say average, needs only 30 minutes, then the first guy did somth wrong in the past.
Sorry didnt understand Miguels point there. Is it kind of a trademark or what?
Ps: wasnt it Todd's words, saying that its proportional to the amount of time your practising? I think they were discussing picado.
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Date Dec. 27 2005 0:53:59
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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Guys who play well have played a lot. There is a certain type of person who is good, and it very often is a person who is borderline obsessive-compulsive. They listen very carefully to what they are playing and they simply won't accept mediocrity or sloppiness in rhythm, attack, or tone. If you are like that, you won't fail--you will reach your goals in time. I think it's nonsense to believe that great players don't practice their assess off. For all the "natural talent" that the great players have, they also happen to have practiced hours and hours a day with obsessive attention to detail, and usually surrounded by music and knowledge.
I think a good example is those rock players who started young and learned by records. They could find one note on the guitar that they heard on the record, and then they moved on to the next note. And then the next, and next... that kind of singleminded devotion and intensity will not be denied.
Looking at Todd, Grisha, Ricardo, and Paco (which one doesn't fit...just kidding :)))))), you see people who started young and were surrounded by music and knowledge at a very early age. I would wager that each fell in love with the instrument and spent ungodly amounts of time at it. At some point, they reached a level of mastery.
I think starting young helps for a variety of reasons, one of them is that old people are not expected to be trying to learn music. There comes a certain time, when "if you were going to be good, you already would be", and that's when we give up on dreams of being musicians and move on to become accountants or electronics repair guys (snicker). But what if, instead of giving up, we worked another 10 years. Would we be just as good, or did we miss the boat?
There is no evidence either way since hardly any adults really can devote themselves to a musical instrument in the obsessive way that kids or pros who are already making a living at it.
Who is a better player, a guy who starts at 5 and practiced 5 hours a day for 10 years or a guy who starts at 20 and practiced 5 hours a day for 10 years?
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Date Dec. 27 2005 5:13:02
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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Well. I'm going to try to answer Skai's question. I'm not one of the big shots, but it might be interesting. I play around 1 - 1½ hour a day, sometimes a bit more, but an average of 1½ is more or less what it is. I've played flamenco for a bit morte than 4 years, I'm a semi old fart, so I learn slower now. I have no classical guitar training, but I played classical violin for 10 years when I was younger. This taught me a lot of method and filosofy. I started playing the guitar when I was 8 - 10 years old, my father taught me.
What I've learned is that YOU are the main factor, your capacity to listen to yourself is extremely important. If you want to be good, really good, you have to play a LOT, but if you do it without a good teacher, one that teaches how to correct yourself, then you will be just another mediocre and frustrated player. You can learn without a teacher, but you have to learn how to listen to yourself and correct your mistakes....................
A good one here: for everytime you play a mistake, it takes 10 times to correct it.
I'm a happy player  . I'm very happy with my progression, but I also take it very easy. I know I'm just a good amateur, and that I wont be anything else. That helps me a lot, when I think my playing sucks. There's no rush. I play because I love it. It's my only red line in a chaotic life, and I think it's THE most important thing for me. That's why I take care, I don't push myself, I don't hope that I will be mister bigshot and I enjoy. For me playing museic is some kind of meditation or like reading a very good never ending book.
Whoa... I feel like playing now 
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Date Dec. 27 2005 7:35:34
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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A while ago Canizares said every hour practiceing without a metronome is a wasted hour.
Maybe that's why he's so goddam boring
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Date Dec. 27 2005 12:09:20
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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If Canizares would play out of compas with speed up and down he would be more interesting, ...really??
No, he would be equally boring. 
What I meant was that you learn the best by having fun. Look at the double sense of the word 'play'
To much metronome, and you loose it.
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Date Dec. 27 2005 15:07:55
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RE: Question for everyone (in reply to Skai)
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Ahh, almost forgot! You have to practice your repertoire SLOWLY. Divide it equally among several days (depending on how large it is), and play one part each day. Don't forget the dynamics, tone, timing and everything that you do at normal tempo. If you think this is boring, play this game: imagine that you are in incredible shape and are, in fact, playing very fast, but your mind is so powerful, that you perceive everything slow. And now that's your chance to get everything perfectly, technically and musically.
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Date Dec. 27 2005 15:59:34
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