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Ruphus

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With time advancing it shows increasingly that common sense carries some severe misconceptions on global threats, their causalities and the possibilities of repair / men´s chances to survive the caused destruction.

This shortcoming with realism and basic understanding encompasses even a mind like of Bill Gates of whom you could had assumed special access to information and essentials. Unfortunately he joins the intellectual gap of understanding how relevant natural environment is for human being, how formerly intact eco systems and extinct species can´t be retrieved, and even just fails to see how you can´t help the global situation of the people by still staying on the pillars of exploitative economizing that has ruined the planet in the first place.
( Some might remember how I once tried to bring a corresponding message to his attention by posting a public letter.)

Today there was published an interview that illuminates some of these points, and it appeared informative enough to me to invest the time and translate it into English for those of you who might be interested ( for strangely I couldn´t find the interview in its original language).



quote:

David McCoy is positioned at the Center for Primary Care and Public Health of the Queen Mary University in London GB. He has worked 15 years as physician in South-Africa and in the local public health care system.
He is on the board of the NGO Medact as well as member of People's Health

Question:
Mr. McCoy, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is the world-wide most renown philanthropic foundation.
It supports the fight against diseases in poor countries, the development of vaccination and agrarian programs against hunger.
You belong to the few physicians who are criticizing that. Why?

McCoy:
It is important to understand that the foundation is no charity organization, but instead influencing politics, research and even journalistic report. With a funds of 23,3 billion Euro and a similarly sized amount prospected by the Warren Buffet foundation, the Gates foundations is being extremely influential.
I see problems with the shape and approach of these programs and in the way of how the foundations is not being due to report about its conduct.

Question:
You have examined 1000 supports for health care programs of a value of nearly 9 billion dollar, which the foundation has granted in the years from 1998 and 2007. What are your findings?

McCoy:
The foundation supports a broad range of organizations and acts through them. To those orgs belong the WHO, large health partners like Global Fund or the Global Alliance for Vaccinations ( GAVI), international NGOs, research institutes and leading universities in USA and Europe. The foundation even supports the World Bank. It focuses its influence and its money on few selected technologies and diseases, especially HIV, tuberculosis, malaria and such which can be vaccinated against.

Question:
And that is bad?

McCoy:
It certainly is a good thing to have more money for vaccination and treatment of these diseases in poor countries. However, this money has not always been invested efficiently and cost efficiently. Specially at the beginning of the 21 century the Global Fund and GAVI´s focus on vaccination and targeting of only three diseases contributed to the neglecting of other urgent problems. Health care systems in poor countries ought to deal with many important issues. The treatment against diseases, prophylaxis against diseases through bad nutrition, access of clean water, education of HC personnel, improvement of informative systems. When external powers like the Gates-foundation finance programs, which concentrate on only few diseases and technologies, the HC system as a whole can be damaged.

Question:
But isn´t it that a foundation must focus on single aspects?

McCoy:
Imagine you were leading a school in a poor community. And there comes a financier with a lot of money - but only for the subjects of mathematics and physics. He ought to prove his effects, thus brings experts from outside who will help the school to improve on results in mathematics and physics. He even insists on that the teachers of these subjects shall be paid better.
But you have no idea of how long this support will last. This is what happened with HC systems, when such exclusively targeted programs were introduced and financed through external organs like the Gates-Foundation.

Question:
In an ad clip on behalf of the 10th year of the Global Fund VIPs like Bono, Bill Clinton und Bill Gates celebrated that the program rescued 8,7 million lives. Is this number true?

McCoy:
It is exaggerated. The Global Fund rather has rescued three to four mio lives. More important to me seems the message of the ad that the rich would be helping the poor.
This is being countered by the fact that the value with illegal asset streaming which leave Africa is by far larger than the sum of donation received there. With a major part of that going to company or private accounts of the elite, often enough in tax havens.

Question:
It seem undisputed however that people are being rescued.

McCoy:
To react quickly, safe lives and building up institutional capacities; that is the great challenge in the global field of HC. Only that we must not neglect awareness of the causes of poverty, malnutrition and diseases. Otherwise the poor will stay lastingly dependant on help. "Saving lives", is a powerful rhetoric tool for to depoliticize problems: "We are rescuing lives here. Don´´t disturb us with political questions or your objections about justice, economical developments, self-determination or eivironmental suitabilitty."

Question:
Are global public-private programs between states and corporations like the Global Fund or GAVI not being helpful?

McCoy:
Today we are much better positioned with keeping people alive under poverty conditions. However, climate change, resource conflicts and resistances against antibiotics are capable of inverting the improvements achieved in poor countries over the past 15 years.
We for instance are having a higher life expectancy for people with HIV in Africa. However, the conclusion should not be that we shall find ever new meds against diseases, but rather that people must be protected against new threats; through means of securing nutrition, education, clean water, employment and democratic institutions.
Bill Gate´s focus on charity and technology contains no confession to social justice and lasting development. Neither does he question the economical system that is allocating property from bottom to top.

Question:
Supporters say that Bill gates is returning wealth and employing his undertaking talents for support of the poor.
McCoy:
He is not returning money. The funds remain under his control on how they will be invested. I want to draw attention to the whole of which his foundations is being part of: The coherence between enormous wealth and impoverishment.
It is a myth also spread by the Gates Foundation how excessive and concentrated wealth was the outcome of a fair and efficient development - hence it trickling down from top to bottom -. Charity often is an act of generosity. But it can also enhance the relation of power and dependency between rich and poor and be used to maintain unfair and undemocratic structures.

Question:
With private assets of 56 billion Euro Bill Gates is the wealthiest man on earth. Some say his wealth was earned, because of him being a genius.

McCoy:
Sometimes I ask my students to imagine a world without Bill Gates. Would we be having laptops, text editing applications and internet?
It won´t last long until they ask themselves, why a person has made that much of money for a development that would had happened anyhow. Gate´s wealth does not yield so much from his intelligence or his genius rather than on a reckless sense of business which allowed him to monopolize a market and maximize tax avoidance.

Ouestion:
The Gates Foundation conducts partnerships with pharmaceutical combines like Novartis, Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Sanofi and Merck. You critisize that as well. Why?

McCoy:
There exist a lot of market failure in the pharmaceutical sector which instigates exorbitant profits and inefficient research with too much of legacy conflicts. That hurts the public. The key lies in the system of intellectual property rights, which Gates has contributed to building up, in his times with Microsoft. His foundation teams up closely with the pharmaceutical industry. It should be investigated much more intensively about how much private and how much public money is going that way into development of meds and vaccines only to then be privatized and profitably traded on a market of distorted competition.

Ouestion:
The foundation´s funds also stems from capital investments into firms like Monsanto, Coca-Cola, McDonalds and Shell. How does that cope with the aim of supporting health?

McCoy:
How the foundation carries no standards of ethics and lasting policies with its investments is incomprehensible and wrong. It is not only a major shareholder of Coca-Cola, but even advertises the combine as an example of efficient and good company policies. Such, while the company´s contribution to mass overweight and its business policies as well as effects of its fabrics on local communities being questionable. With its investment policies the Gates Foundation is legitimizing acts and laws that should actually not be legitimized. Further, a large part of the foundations funds comes from tax exemption. Public has a right to be informed on how the money is being used.

Question:
In Germany the Gates Foundation supports private-public development partnerships to which companies belong like BASF, Bayer and Syngenta. Precondition for the investment has been that the German government invested 20 mio Euros into this partnership as well.

McCoy:
Basically, partnerships are good. However, many allow and legitimize companie´s access to the public sector. Let´s look at the influence of multi-national combines on the transatlantic trade agreement. That is less negotiations among USA and the EU than it is among groups of industry, finance section and the public.
If we don´t want multimillionairs, banks and combines to influence politics of finance markets and environmental law, why then should we be agreeing into such influence on agrarian and health care programs?

Question:
Notwithstandingly, there exists little critique on the foundations influence. Is that servile obedience in order to gain appropriation?

McCoy:
Amassed wealth and power buy not only influence, but also agreement. Self-censoring and group thinking. Before I started researching on the Gates Foundation I was warned that it could be hurting my career. But after the publishing of my study in the medical journal "The Lancet" many confirmed that the Foundation has a too great influence and is producing a climate in which health experts would not dare to object.

Question:
Why is Bill Gates engaging himself. Is he personally profiting from it?

McCoy:
The foundation was not founded for making money. But it is a means to exert power and influence. Bill Gates calls himself an "impatient optimist". However, I find his hopes to be conservative and unambitious. I want a fair development - not just charity. It´s me who is the impatient optimist. Yet, it appears his true aim to do good for the poor. That is why I would like to discuss with him publicly.

Question:
What would you like to talk about?

McCoy:
About the fact that technology can only be a part of any solution. I would like to talk with him about the shortcomings of the system of intellectual property and challenge him to engage for reforms with banking, bookkeeping and tax collection. So that there be prevention of hundreds of billions of dollars leaving Africa on legal ways. I would like to talk about agreements of trade and investments under which combines are profiting while the people and environment are suffering.
I would ask him if he could economically and ethically justify the wealth of the One Percent of people, and whether the pitiful salary of hundreds of thousands of world-wide nurses and teachers was adequate.
There would be a lot coming to mind. We could discuss for hours.
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/interview-zur-gates-stiftung-mccoy-beklagt-machtmissbrauch-a-981842.html

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2014 14:09:16
 
aeolus

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Whatever downside there is to tycoons like Gates spreading wealth he had sheltered from taxes, it a heck of a lot better than the ruthless pillaging of Africa and southeast Asia during the European colonial period
which includes the 19th century and half of the 20th until the US pressured colonizers to divest themselves of their holdings. Read Andre Gide's Travels in the Congo for his hair raising accounts of the unbelievable cruelty of the French administrators and the private firms that had secured franchises from the french government. In fact one of the reasons for the decline of Europe's wealth is the loss of their colonies

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Water-Sanitation-and-Hygiene
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2014 17:32:11
 
cristina

 

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Ruphus, here is the link:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/interview-zur-gates-stiftung-mccoy-beklagt-machtmissbrauch-a-981842.html
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2014 18:15:56
 
Ruphus

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Aeolus,

Sure, but that is not what it is about in the interview.
It is about actually good intentions, albite without a clue of priority.


Cristina,

Did you take a look at my post?
The link is placed under the quote.

I had been hoping to find the English version of the interview, but they seem to have decided not to publish it, despite of conducting an English division.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2014 20:32:43
 
aeolus

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quote:

It is about actually good intentions, albite without a clue of priority.


We live in an imperfect world Ruphus if you hadn't noticed it. And there is always one kibitzer who thinks it's being done all wrong.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 27 2014 22:21:52
 
cristina

 

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sorry ruphus, didn't know, that you meant the english text.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2014 6:10:12
 
Ruphus

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aeolus

And there is always one kibitzer who thinks it's being done all wrong.


Sometimes. And always when seen from an unpside-down view.
The irreversible destruction of our source of life currently going on is not only that, but so much worse even, while caused entirely needlessly.

"Imperfection" ought to be a funny classification for a Gothamist condition that is exactly as well-founded as the history of the Eastern Island.
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Never mind, Cristina. :O)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2014 9:17:24
 
Ruphus

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And here´s more thought, going beyond imperfect attempts to aid the poor, and likely to shaking up most peoples´ fundamental understanding:

With the upcoming of the ibrahimic religions an apparent elevation of human being over all fellow creation was manifested.
And it since is being considered noble manners to settle the value and concern of humans as superiour, more even to pull out the noble card whenever fellow creatures whereabout are about to be considered. ( To the meaning of: "As long as humans are having example-X conditions still, animals ought to take a step back".)

This is a primitive and egocentric misconception based on little sophisticated routines of 5000 to 2000 years ago. Yet, still fully with us in an age that should be of pragmatic and reasonable guideline.

Men might appear top of the evolution to moralistic simplicity, but under sober and ethical perspective we are merely part of an ecosystem. With the eco system presenting priority, and single species, if evaluated at all, only in relevant regard to the evolution. Hence: Species contributing to bio diversity yielding positively and species reducing bio diversity yielding as detrimental.

Now, that we have produced our over population and deserting of the habitat for irrational reason of pathological greed, we expect fellow creation to perish in its inferiority.

Pragmatically however this is not the time to display apparent philanthropy and fight diseases that could be a biological planets desperate means to reduce its lethal parasites.

Keeping a population alive and surplus for what?
So that the people shall perish rather in the near future altogether with the whole of a self-exterminating menkind?

In place of investing into people without a future, all constructive measures are urgently needed to do all possible in order to halt fellow species extinction for as much as doable still. ( Seems already many of the higher developed species don´t have enough heads anymore for a genetic pool broad enough for survival.)

Common sense needs to realize some intellectual bits of the third millenium.
It needs to understand that:
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extinct species will not "return" / no new ones popping up in any relevant time frame. That the planet will be too close to the sun at a time that any new of higher developed species could had "re-occured" - in an environment that couldn´t feed it in the first place.

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surviving is of little value without basics for a decent living. And that among such basics like social skills and civilized standards, even more decisive for a human living is the existence of an intact habitat of flora and fauna.
That we not only derived from it, but need it absolutely to survive as humans.

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That ecological systems are not mainly depending on macro level. ( As it seemed to appear to the academies), but that upper end of the food chain is just as essential to the maintenance of the system.
Hence for example, not just plankton -> krill -> whales, but also vice versa preconditional.

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That menkind without natural habitat can not only not survive for long physically, but certainly not as the social being it has anthropologically developed to.
That there will be no human being without appreciation of the natural habitat and appreciative interaction with fellow species.


What it takes for a practical future with any number of people to survive at all, hence would be:

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All currently available means into immediate environmental preservation.

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Realizing the cause of the havoc, and putting an end to exploitative economizing. Turning around the wheel towards reasonable and globally beneficiary policies.

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Acknowledging the right of fellow species, and ending the ibrahimic triviality of alleged superority.

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Understanding the uniqueness provided with such an exceptional evolution, and how the blue planet is all that we have. ( Forget about dumb pipe dreams of space travel as even just remote alternative to terrestrial living quality.)
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As temporarily appealing as pictures of vaccinating cute little babies might be, the actually philanthropic measure would be to invest so that its parents shall refrain from hunting bush meat; to stop oligarchy and plutocracy as background of shortage and injustice, and the disdaining of humane matters.
Dissolving the perverse accumulation for a few, and make this a world of "us", with consideration of all on earth that struggles and feels.

It would not just be reasonable, but without alternative for a future living, more even with dignity.
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Take that hypothetical vaccine against tuberculosis and apply it to African cattle.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2014 10:54:51
 
aeolus

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quote:

. Yet, it appears his[Gates] true aim to do good for the poor.


That's quite a manifesto Ruphus! And yes I agree 100% But it is useless to try to reverse the suicidal direction humankind is embarked on and is powerless to avoid.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2014 11:42:56
 
Ruphus

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I am not that certain about the powerless being to avoid.

If there was something grand to happen that would effect people world-wide, displaying to them how environmental destruction is about to change everyone´s life ...

... if it became clear to yet the least informed how even the most affluent of accumulation will not spare them the consequences of social and environmental havoc ...

then, so I am willing to bet, you would see the immediacy and measures possible.
There would be wires running hot, and suddenly we would be seeing things considered impossible before. From united action to halt the destruction of nature over to the most humane and generous appearing contributions you could think of.

You would see todays tycoons whining over their own new skill of empathy and reason. Seeing them admit the lowly and humanly miserable state of mind that they used to live in, and regret over and over again.

And in fact that is rather likely how it is going to occure. Only that it won´t be now / ergo possibly within time yet, but in the future. When it is too late.
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Anyway, there would be a lot that could be done now, with joined forces as global effects enormous enough to possibly allow for a somewhat mild turnaround ( with some of the most beautiful species unable to have been rescued anymore though).


What makes the situation appearing so powerless, is the phlegmatic and resistant attitude at the international climate conferences etc. held by postboning industrial / purposeful idiots who are having a hard time with letting go the cockaigne they got used to since post WWII.

All that astronomical profiteering with on the other hand expenses and drawbacks taken by public and environment makes it hard for simple minds to let go and return to lesser, yet still considerable profits. While them in the same time suppressing the notion of relevancy regarding an intact eco system.
Postboning reforms again and again until a point of some easy trillion dollars later.

They seem to really fancy that either ecological matters are not that dramatic or that that they could buy themselves out from a global desaster.


It is in the end amazing to see how little huge possesion does contribute to the intellect.
These people and their court have quite an intelligentia on their payroll, but refuse to engage it for anything than short-sighted clearing drafts.

Ruphus
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Led by Rodolfo Dirzo, a professor of biology at Stanford University, a team of scientists documented the rate that fauna are going extinct in the modern era. Since the year 1500 AD, at least 320 vertebrate species have been extinguished, primarily due to human activity. Those that remain have seen their total populations decline by 25 percent. Even more striking is the decline of insects: In the past 35 years alone, the scientists found that the number of invertebrates have plummeted 45 percent. The researchers cite the drops as further evidence that we are bearing witness to the unfurling of the Anthropocene Extinction event—the planet's sixth great mass extinction.

In my own little corner on the Jersey Cape, I can tell you I have witnessed the disappearance or serious decline of multiple species. Such as: frogs; snails; bees; wasps; ants; mosquito; birds of all
types and miscellaneous bugs of various types. I am begining to describe our location as a dead zone. Unfortunately the termites are immune to whatever air born poison is abroad. At age 82 I have no worries about a future I will not see but my son is another matter. He is on his own I am afraid.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-future-will-be-swarming-with-rats
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 29 2014 22:44:20
 
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Another pristine example of more of what we DON'T NEED on the Foro~



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Ruphus

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aeolus

At age 82 I have no worries about a future I will not see but my son is another matter. He is on his own I am afraid.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-future-will-be-swarming-with-rats


He will be having a hard time explaining to asking kids how the devastation was done without a need, and harder even why people were standing by watching, not understanding how natural habitat was their life resource.

And what amassing of rats is concerned:

In 1983 on a summer evening I was walking through Manhatten when coming along a small park that is elevated from the pavement by maybe 60 cm or so. When I noticed something moving I bowed over to peep from under a line of bushes and couldn´t believe my eyes. Hundreds of thousands of rats were populating the space. It was all cramped backs, and a homeless was sitting on a bench with his feet in the host.

Rats and roaches will be the last passengers of the brainless timetable going on.

And Stephen might be following local demand and switching from guitar building to the making of harps, which he will be assembling from woods of the Garden of Eden. A heavenly material that will need no tapping.

Ruphus
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