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RE: Farruca Challenge???
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Ramon Amira
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 RE: Farruca Challenge??? (in reply to Ricardo)
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Well, it's simply not true, tempo fluctuations (stretching compas?) are absolutely permitted in any palo and often a requirement when accompanying. This video example he pretty much holds around 85 bpm for the entire piece until the end and one spot in the middle where it builds and stops. "out of compas" is simply not an appropriate description regardless of opinions of interpretation.
I agree - tempo fluctuations are appropriate in any palo, including Farruca. But you have to define "tempo fluctuations" You can play in strict time throughout, and then have a passage played at a slower tempo - but - still in strict time. So the tempo has fluctuated, but the player has played in strict time all the way through, simply at different tempos. That tempo fluctuation is always permissible, and frequently desirable.
That is a tempo fluctuation. And as it happens, Farruca is a perfect example of that. I have accompanied Farruca baile many times, and it's generally played at a fairly moderate tempo, but there's always a passage where the tempo gets much faster, and the dancer goes into some rapid footwork. But even at the faster tempo, I have to play in strict time. So the tempo has changed, but the music has never been out of strict time.
However, I wasn't referring to tempo fluctuation when I said he's "stretching the compas." I was sticking to flamenco terminology with "compas," but had I been talking about classical guitar I would have said "rubato." Rubato isn't really a tempo fluctuation - it's stretching a beat or more, so someone using rubato would be considered in time. That's what I was referring to - rubato.
It comes back to what I said originally - if someone feels it's okay to use rubato in Farruca, then he's not out of compas. But if someone feels - as I do - that Farruca should be played in strict time, then he's out of compas.
Ramon
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I only get to practice it with them like 3 times before the performance, fingers crossed hahaha 