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Ruphus

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Jeff Highland) 
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Highland

quote:

You don´t want to understand


No ...


I.
The logic in your reply equals "Yes", not "No".
So before you expect anything anywhere make sure about consistency on your side first.

II.
My original and topic relevant statement that bone will rather help mellow transition and ivory for brittle sound remains true for common cases. As you can see also reflected by user experience in this very thread.
Another clue for your biased and useless interference.

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estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
Rufus I think you should be a bit more polite to Jeff, he meant no disrespect, only talking about the subject in a regular manner. Saddle hardness? It's not a big deal.

Saving elephants from poaching and keeping vintage instruments in the safe hands of musicians, collectors, makers and restorers is a big deal and we should all work together on that problem. That is really bigger than all of us and it's serious stuff.

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jshelton5040

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Joan Maher) 
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ORIGINAL: Joan Maher

I would never use Ivory of any sort.


That is a rhinocerous. It has a horn made of hair. No ivory involved. Apparently some ignorant people value it as a aphrodisiac.

Most of the bone used in instruments used to be made of whale bone. Should we ban all bone?

Any time government(s) gets involved in things it always seems to turn into a huge mess and nobody suffers but the innocent bystanders with no stake in the matter. I guarantee the poachers in Africa couldn't care less that the government swine have passed another regulation.

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Joan Maher

 

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to jshelton5040) 
Depends how you get the whale.. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/25/help-stop-denmarks-annual-festival-of-massive-whale-and-dolphin-slaughter/

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SephardRick

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
Joan Maher,

Really. Is it necessary to post those gory photos?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 16 2014 14:48:26
 
Joan Maher

 

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
I think so.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 16 2014 14:52:25
 
beno

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
I prefered tusq over bone on three of my previous guitars.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 16 2014 15:10:33
 
Ruphus

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
Totally agreed on the environmental aspect.
There is nothing in my life that concerns me more than the ongoing extinction of all these essential, breathtakingly phenomenal and beautiful creatures.

And seeing devastation continued and even yet increased leaves you fathomless.
Just the elephant killing you are referring to. When was it? 2012? When the number of poached African elephants were over 20 000?
Can anyone imagine how 20 000 elephant cadavers look like? All for a some centners of ivory, that the Chinese will mill figures of; of which needless to say the most are just ugly kitsch anyway.

And those idiots who buy that stuff to putt it on their living room sideboard. Timeless idiots.
And don´t ask what numbers of cadavers there may have been in 2013. I don´t know.


Joan,

Rhinos have no ivory.
Their horns material is of mere keratin and - as you certainly know- pulverized to supply the ever of impotence concerned Chinese men.

Those guys, their traditional fear of impotence and their indelible ignorance are exterminating the worlds last wild-life. It is too idiotic to be believed, and would be hillarious if it wasn´t for real.

The globe´s voice has to urgently scream at this traditional idiocy and request its immediate ending.

Lastly we have had a critical pointer towards China in that sense from Prince Charles as the first official person to do such, and it gave me hope that the worlds public and common sense shall follow asap.

It must be openly said that Asia and Africa are extremely leading in Middel Age conservation and traditionally hetched ignorance, resulting in unspeakable cruelty.
Until not globally illuminated as the fact that it is, the drama will proceed to the extinction of all advanced wild-life species. ( Not to mention the out-of-words misery livestock and "pets" are going through on a daily basis. - Mine have been poisoned only 3 weeks ago again, with the sixth or seventh attack now. We could keep her alive that day by just a hair.)

Anyway, agreed on that!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 16 2014 15:23:55
 
Joan Maher

 

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
Glad to hear Ruphus I was starting to get depressed with this thread.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 16 2014 15:36:24
 
keith

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
yes it is a big problem slaughtering animals just for a body part and sadly it has been the loop holes that have led to the present situation where one has to prove the ivory item is over 100 years old. unfortunately that may be almost impossible to prove. for us guitarists ivory is not really an issue. for other musicians such as violinists the enforcement of the new ivory laws could result in serious problems. bows have a piece of ornamental ivory and a bow made before 1973 could be snatched and burned at the borders. think of all of the pianos made in 1972 and earlier--a lot of piano dealers are in deep do-do. then there is the problem of a zealous border guard who thinks he knows ivory by eyesight and burns a bow that has cow bone and not ivory. bows fetch some serious bucks.

i tried to upload an article but was unable to do so and therefore copied the below.

“Bona fide antiques”
can still be legally bought
and sold – however, to do
so the seller will have to
provide proof that (a) the
object is more than 100
years old; (b) has not been
‘repaired or modified’ with
elephant ivory or other
illegal species since 1973;
(c) the exact species of elephant
the ivory came from,
and (d) that the ivory
entered at a port designated
for the import of ESA
antiques.
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jshelton5040

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to keith) 
It sounds like they're only interested in elephant ivory. What about Walrus tusk? The only people who are allowed to trade in it are native tribes in Alaska and Canada and they're not supposed to be selling it except as "art"...yeah, sure. I have some Walrus tusk ivory that I bought about 40 years ago from a small business that made gun stocks. I have no idea how long they had it before selling it to me. I was told that the difference between elephant and Walrus ivory is color (Walrus is pinkish and elephant yellowish). I wonder how good the government swine are at telling the difference?

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keith

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to jshelton5040) 
john, from everything i have read and heard even though the hapless guitar owner is considered innocent until proven guilty the onnus is on the hapless guitar owner to prove the material is not ivory. break open your wallets folks.

then there is the issue of the fed agent who thinks he knows ivory and destroys something without ivory. could this happen? hmm, let me see, here in massachusetts we have a few thousand dead people collecting welfare. did not know one needs an e.b.t. card in the afterlife.
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estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to SephardRick) 
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Ms Maher,

Really. Is it necessary to post those gory photos?


I think Joan is a mans name, Catalan. We should clarify.

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SephardRick

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to estebanana) 
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think Joan is a mans name, Catalan


Steve,

I see your point. Joan's profile picture shows a strong resemblance to the classical novelist Hemmingway.

Having an aunt named Joan, Ms is a habitual response by me. Therefore, no disrespect intended. I'll edit out the Ms.

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Morante

 

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to keith) 
At the end of the day, Americans are cabrones, who think they own the world. My one and only visit convinced me never to go again.
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Leñador

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
Yes and ALL Spaniards are lazy as **** and ALL Irish people drink themselves to death and ALL British have bad teeth and ALL Canadians are lumberjacks etc etc.....
Oh yeah, ALL Jamaicans want a bob sled team.........bet you thought I was gunna say smoke weed huh??

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SephardRick

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Morante) 
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My one and only visit convinced me never to go again


Hey Sean,

Where did you go in the US?

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estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Morante) 
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At the end of the day, Americans are cabrones, who think they own the world. My one and only visit convinced me never to go again.


The Chinese think they own world, but the Americans are still cabrones

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estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Leñador) 
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Yes and ALL Spaniards are lazy as **** and ALL Irish people drink themselves to death and ALL British have bad teeth and ALL Canadians are lumberjacks etc etc.....
Oh yeah, ALL Jamaicans want a bob sled team.........bet you thought I was gunna say smoke weed huh??

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Listen up cabrone, you know very well Jamaican Bobsledding is silly, they really excel at x- country skiing.

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Leñador

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
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The Chinese think they own world

They don't????

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Listen up cabrone, you know very well Jamaican Bobsledding is silly, they really excel at x- country skiing.

Ah yes, well, I thought that'd be too obvious. Red stripe, ganja, jerk, Rastafarianism and cross country skiing, I can see the tourism commercials now……

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estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Leñador) 
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quote:

The Chinese think they own world

They don't????


Of course not, the Lizardman race created the Trilateral Commission which owns the world along with the Rothschilds, but they let the Chinese think they own it because it keeps the United States of Cabrones in debt.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 20 2014 0:44:48
 
estebanana

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Morante) 
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At the end of the day, Americans are cabrones, who think they own the world. My one and only visit convinced me never to go again.


Thanks Morante, I kind of like the ring to this: United States of Cabrones

It's pretty funny.

World News:

Today the United States of Cabrones invaded the Peten region of the country Guatemala. Once they were able to control the Peten and its vast resources the US of C took over, because they own everything, and changed the name to Guatepeor.

The situation on the ground is reputed to have gone from Guatemala to Guatepeor.

Russian president Vlad P. Cabron is jealous that Russia does not share a common border with Guatepeor as he would like to get in on the action by annexing several deep sinkholes in the Peorian capital. President Cabron says he will have to be happy renaming the Crimea to Crimea culpa.

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Leñador

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RE: Saddle bone - ivory or camel? (in reply to Ruphus) 
I kinda do too.
In Mesican slang it's not always a bad thing. My friend had a bumper sticker that said "Soy cabron, y que?". I'll wear it like a badge, "no mi chingas por soy cabron!" Lolol

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