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Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

(FULL DISCOGRAPHY LISTED ON PAGE 8)

Another quite rare compilation that we already listed.
Guitarras Andaluzas 1967 PHILIPS 843 148 PY
Contains 4 tracks with Paco and Ricardo Modrego and 1 solo track - Rondeñas by Ramon Montoya.
The track "Jerez en Fiestas" is credited as written by V.S.J. Does anyone know what this means?

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Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

2 more great Paco covers. The first one is already listed. A dutch compilation imaginatively titled Paco de Lucia. The second is an unlisted French compilation called Entre dos Aguas. I think this is the LP version of the CD compilation with the same name but I havent checked yet

Paco de Lucia 1974 (Netherlands) PHILIPS 6328 171

Paco de Lucia - Entre Dos Aguas 1975 (France) PHILIPS 6328 179

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 15 2014 11:42:02

Ricardo

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

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The track "Jerez en Fiestas" is credited as written by V.S.J. Does anyone know what this means?

Vigaray (Ricardo Modrego Vigaray)
Sanchez (francisco Sanchez)
Jimenez (Ramon Jimenez Barrado)

Modrego relates in the integral booklet on page 17 how Ramon Jimenez Barrado transcribed their pieces very badly in order to help them get publishing rights, and had been receiving 33% royalty to the present day...he goes on to describe exactly the stuff we talked about on foro in the past, piano scores are made to secure rights and publisher prints sheets to sell that are useless to guitar players.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 15 2014 14:30:43

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Ricardo)

Another unlisted EP by Juan de la Loma and Paco de Algeciras
1. No esperes perdón
2.Aquella campana triste
3.Haciendo por olvidarte
4.El mando

Juan de la Loma - Malagueñas (7"EP) 1965 HISPAVOX HH 16-500

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2014 12:14:41

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

I found a couple of LPs with Paco tracks at the sunday market although he is not credited on either of the albums.
El Mundo del Flamenco 1972 GRAMUSIC GM-145
Has the track "Mi Adelfita" by Adelfa Soto and Paco de Algeciras

Arte y Tronio 196? BELTER 22.202
Has the track "El Escultor" by Niña de la Puebla and Paco de Algeciras

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2014 12:28:52

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

I listed the "Live in America" album as PHILIPS 518 809-2. This is the index for the CD and I just assumed that the album was only released in this format. I was really delighted to find out that it was also released as a double LP at the same time. I believe this to be the last time his work was released on Vinyl format.

Paco de Lucia - Live in America (double LP) 1993 PHILIPS 518 809-1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2014 12:40:40

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

8 of the original Paco and Niña de la puebla tracks can be found on this 12 track CD.
Available on Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Los-Campanilleros-Y-Otros-Exit/dp/B000LZ5G4E/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=1-1&keywords=ni%C3%B1a+de+la+puebla

Niña De La Puebla - Los Campanilleros Y Todos Sus Éxitos CD 2005 DIVUCSA 37182

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2014 13:05:07

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Here is the last of the 1967 Sevillano EPs from our original list that I finally tracked down.
1967 PHILIPS 438 112 PE
That makes 6 from 1967 and another from 1964 so far.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2014 18:52:22

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Two more albums already listed.
The first is the compilation Canta, Guitarra, Canta 1976 IMPACTO EL.210
which annoyingly has the same 2 Soleares populares and Tarantos poulares that appear on various other compilations.

The second is fully titled
The music of PACO DE LUCIA from the soundtrack of the film “The Hit” 1984 MERCURY 822 668-1 (casette MERCURY 822 668-4)
Paco is credited as author of the music and producer and is joined by Pepe de lucia, Ramon de Algeciras, Jorge Pardo and Juan Carlos Rebato on Bass.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2014 19:10:57

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

But leaving the best find this week until last, I realised from the Niña de la Puebla
compilation that the Olympo and Fontana Labels always re-released earlier recorded tracks.
I checked out the original tracks for Aldelfa Soto and Look what I found!

Here is the one of the original 7" EPS with Aldefa Soto and Paco de Algeciras with Paco on the cover...a complete surprise and a great find.

Adelfa Soto "La luna y el Toro" (7" EP) 1964 BELTER 51.119

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2014 19:22:32

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

I dont know what it is about Japanese versions of western products that I find so cool but I cant help loving these album covers.
The first is the Japanese version of Solo quiero caminar. The album is identical but with a Japanese cover.

Solo quiero Caminar (JAPAN) LP 1981 PHILIPS 28PP-7

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2014 8:41:59

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

This next one is a unique Japanese instrumental compilation titled
Paco de Lucia - Pop Flamenco Guitar Best 20

Malagueña - (Lecuona)
La Zarzamoro -(Quintero-Leon)
Cielito lindo
Mantilla de Feria
Siboney (Lecuona)
Gaditanas
Perfidia (A. Dominguez)
El Jarabe Tapatio
Alma Llanera (Gutiérrez)
Granada (Lara)

Mañana de Carnaval (Bonfa)
La virgin de la Macarena (Butista-Monterde-Ortiz-Calero)
Moliendo Cafe (Jose Manso)
Aires de Linares
Malagueña Salerosa (Ramirez)
A pesar de todo (Guijarro - Torregrosa)
Jalousie (Gade)
A tu Vera (R. de Leon- Solano)
La luna y el toro (Sarmiento- Castellanos)
Besame mucho (Valezquez - Skylar)

Tracks 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15 and 16 from "Dos Guitarras Flamencas en America Latina" (Ramon de Algeciras)
Tracks 1, 13, 18 ,19 from "12 Exitos para Dos Guitarras Flamencas" (Ricardo Modrego)
Tracks 4 and 14 from "Fantasia Flamenca"
Tracks 7, 12, 17 and 20 from "12 Hits Para 2 Guitarras y Orquesta de Cuerda" (Ramon de Algeciras)

Who can source tracks 2 and 6? (Ricardo?

)

Happy weekend everyone

Paco de Lucia - Pop Flamenco Guitar Best 20 (JAPAN) LP 1975 PHILIPS FDX-513

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Ricardo

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Just reminded me I have a Japanese remaster of "passion grace and fire" which is far superior (ie a lot louder than the original) and the only version of the album I can stand to listen to. (for example the versions issued in certain re edition boxes were still very low volume after all). The album art and such was the same, but it contained a folded up piece of paper with detail description of the album (I think) but it is all in Japanese.

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

I assume the loudness you are referring to, to be about dynamic compression.

While purists insist on uncompressed releases, to my taste those will come out way too soft and lame.
As an enfant terrible I have always been advocating tasteful compression, including in the chambre of classical / acoustic music. The engineer only needs to know when it is too much or too little.

From there I can relate to how you chose to listen to only one of the editions.

Ruphus

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Paul Magnussen

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Who can source tracks 2 and 6?

2) is from Canciones andaluzas, with Ramón.
6) is from Dos guitarras flamencas en stereo (why not “estereo”?), with Ricardo Modrego

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Pimientito

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why not “estereo”?

I thought the same thing.
I think "STEREO" was one of those words that record companies put on all products by convention in the 60s regardless of their distribution the same as DOLBY or HD logos today. HD in Spanish would be AD (Alta Definición) but TVs here all carry the HD logo. I thinks its more about recognizing the product than a language issue.

I came across this re- issue of Fuente Y Caudal on the Cantabile label with a rather tasteful front cover. (although they could have found a better photo for the back!)

Fuente Y Caudal 1974 DISCOLIBRO 8160

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 1 2014 9:38:31

Ricardo

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Ruphus)

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

I assume the loudness you are referring to, to be about dynamic compression.

While purists insist on uncompressed releases, to my taste those will come out way too soft and lame.
As an enfant terrible I have always been advocating tasteful compression, including in the chambre of classical / acoustic music. The engineer only needs to know when it is too much or too little.

From there I can relate to how you chose to listen to only one of the editions.

Ruphus

of course. Issue is, normally, compression squelches the dynamics. In the case of this album in question, the dynamics were nicely preserved with simply a more present and loud master. Even worse than compression for me, these days, is the digital noise reduction that makes the guitar sound like in a tin can. I don't mind hiss anymore. I dont' like having to keep my volume knob at maximum to hear some small details while driving in the car.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 1 2014 15:22:00

Paul Magnussen

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I think "STEREO" was one of those words that record companies put on all products by convention

Sound plausible, but Stereo isn’t a trademark, as Compact Disc (not Disk) is.

What do other Spanish LPs say?

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Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

If you look at the back of the "Fuente y Caudal" disc above there is a little box with the word stereo that looks like its been squeezed into a bra. That appears frequently on Spanish Vinyl or sometimes Hi-fi Stereo. I have seen very few discs that say "En Estereo". As i said I think its more about international marketing. Maybe one of our Spanish members would elaborate.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 1 2014 19:21:38

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

This has already been listed but I'm posting it for reference. I find that a visual reference of the covers is as useful if not more useful than the list because you can spot them easily in a record shop.

Isabel Pantojas Album " Se Me Enamora el Alma" contains "los Celos" (track 5)
which has Zyryab as its introduction featuring Paco de lucia and Carlos Benavent.
I found this in a second hand shop for 50 cents which is easily the least expensive addition to the discography so far

Isabel Pantoja “Se Me Enamora el Alma” LP 1989 RCA/ BMG PL 74294
Cassette RCA/ BMG PK 74294
Compact Disc RCA/ BMG PD 74294

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 2 2014 8:07:46

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Here are 2 EPs featuring Camaron and Paco.
The first from 1970 is already listed (PHILIPS 62 24 006) but now we have a visual reference.
The second one from 1974 is not on our list. I must admit that up until now I havent checked the Camaron EPs and singles too carefully and I think there is quite a lot of unlisted material out there.

El Camaron de la Isla - Bulerias -Alegrias-Solea-Tarantos(7" EP)1974 PHILIPS 62 24 069

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2014 10:36:01

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Another unlisted and fairly unusual compilation LP from Philips featuring tracks by Paco de Lucia and Camaron, and Antonio Mairena with Melchor de Marchena.

Mano a Mano - El Camaron de la Isla y Antonio Mairena 1975 PHILIPS 64 29 848

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2014 10:48:34

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

This is another great find. Its a double LP of Fosforito. Looking at the cover I thought it was going to be a live album with Paco de Lucia which would have been very cool. However its a compilation of 24 studio tracks, 22 with Paco and 2 with Juan Habichuela.

Fosforito - Genio y Solera! (Double LP) 1976 BELTER 79.009 + 79.010

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2014 10:33:49

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

Its been 6 months to the day that I started this thread. At the time I thought that it would fill a few gaps in my collection but I didnt realise it would be quite the Herculean task that it has become. Im still finding more and more material. Its not just the quantity but the range that is surprising. From modern Jazz, to classical to pop to film soundtracks, Paco was a master soloist, accompaniest, arranger and composer.
Another thing about the discography is the role of Ramon de Algeciras in Pacos career. Its clear That Ramon was more than just a "second guitarist". If we were to use this discography as a Basis for Ramons work and then research everything he recorded without Paco, we would end up with a discography almost as impressive as this one. Ramon and Paco were arguably the greatest guitar duo since Sabicas and Escudero...maybe even greater!!

To continue I found a couple more 7" EPs recently. The first is Villancicos de Rocio by Rocio Durcal already listed in our discography.
The second is another unlisted EP by Adelfa Soto with Paco de Algeciras. Both have particularly horrible 60s photos for the covers

Adelfa Soto - Mi Adelfita (7" EP) 1964 BELTER 51.114

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2014 11:46:23

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

So leaving this thread after 6 months on a high here are two more very cool finds.
The first is a compilation LP on the Fontana Label. "El Sevillano con Paco de Lucia"
This was on our list but without any index numbers or reference. Its from 1972 and is a mix of tracks from the 1967 EPS. Paco features on the cover looking as if he is freezing to death by a lake....Im not sure how I would feel if I were a famous flamenco singer with a record coming out and the guitarist was the one featured on the cover, but clearly the record company thought Paco would sell more discs than "El Sevillano".

El Sevillano con Paco de Lucia LP 1972 FONTANA 64 29 119

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2014 12:22:29

Pimientito

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RE: Pacos Discography (in reply to Pimientito)

The second disc though is a real treasure. Its another undiscovered 7" EP from 1964 with a fantastic photo of Paco de Algeciras when he was just 17 years old. It is amazing to think that he was already a great artist at that age. This makes a total of 8 EPs now which together with the Fontana LP is the complete set of works with El Sevillano.

El Sevillano (7" EP) 1964 PHILIPS 436 271 PE

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Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: Pimientito

So leaving this thread after 6 months on a high here are two more very cool finds.
The first is a compilation LP on the Fontana Label. "El Sevillano con Paco de Lucia"
This was on our list but without any index numbers or reference. Its from 1972 and is a mix of tracks from the 1967 EPS. Paco features on the cover looking as if he is freezing to death by a lake....Im not sure how I would feel if I were a famous flamenco singer with a record coming out and the guitarist was the one featured on the cover, but clearly the record company thought Paco would sell more discs than "El Sevillano".

El Sevillano con Paco de Lucia LP 1972 FONTANA 64 29 119

THat is from the same photo set used for "El Duende Flamenco" cover pic.

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Paul Magnussen

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Both have particularly horrible 60s photos for the covers

The photo on the left doesn’t look like Rocío Durcal at all: they seem to have just picked some random bird (pretty, of course), in the manner of the old Mantovani records.

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Paul Magnussen

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So leaving this thread after 6 months on a high here […]

It would be nice if all this work and information could be organised and made easily accessible to the public. Too bad Amazon’s SoundUnwound™ project foundered, that would have been ideal.

Wikipedia, maybe?

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It would be nice if all this work and information could be organised and made easily accessible to the public.

Good idea. I might be able to extract the data and images into something more structured. I'll have a think.

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