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Ruphus
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 RE: Internet sometimes so lacking ba... (in reply to n85ae)
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ORIGINAL: n85ae
What makes Western Civilizations unique?
Not "unique" and there are examples of further developed cultures than that. Yet, among the great civilisations the western is the only one that underwent a philosophical development which again yielded pillars of ethics.
Common ground on beautiful principles of mutuality like "What you don´t want to be done to you, don´t do to others".
Basics like that resulted in condemnation of misuse of the weak and exposed.
Which again if you like to point to infringements still, is an achievement however and not at last resulting in the reduction of atrocities that the west definitly has compared to wide examples in Asia and Africa.
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ORIGINAL: n85ae
Human beings come in "good" and "bad" versions, this is not exclusive to "Western" civilization.
Nice romantic outline that I grew up with as well. But not realistic at all.
Good and bad can be found everywhere, but that won´t help about the question of proportion. And how much of good and bad ( or whether bad is understood as such to begin with / and same with good) that depends on ideas defined by culture.
And cultural items can be anything from good to evil.
When culture tells you that evil doing was no issue or even good, then people doing bad will be convinced to be doing good.
That is how it is.
How average Joe is depends on culture and the latter is not at all on default providing for balance across the globe.
In fact culture makes for quite some practical differences.
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Millions of people for instance believe that adrenalin was making meat tender. Which is why their butchers torment creatures to death before slaughter.
Some complete BS that someone stated sometime and which was passed on from one fool to the other until it became part of culture.
For you the guys who will accordingly skewer an animal and beat it for an unspeakable while might be good people, as they are only doing like their culture says, and maybe even nice chaps to play cards with or what.
But for the victim they remain demons straight from hell.
And if it be you who be cut off parts of its body, you who be locked away for not to be spotted by unauthorized eyes, be beaten for wanting to live life of a kid or of a partner of equal rights, or be killed for your love life, you who be suffering under useless orthodoxy ... then you bet, you´ll find differences caused by culture.
A thing much to determinant to allow for people as all the same.
They just are not; and it practically makes an essential difference which landscape you are looking at.
Ruphus
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Saturday, 22nd
Adding without bumping:
I am very glad to say that in view of the poisioning for whatever reason the pack ( imunizing against the material used, or me better reacting with experience, or both), seems to be getting away much better this time. 
I have been able to get three of them back to appetite, who had ceased eating. Enhancing flavour by frying everything etc. appears to help quite some. They still show difficulty with chewing and swallowing, apparently even just drinking seems to hurt, but the strong smell of the food must be overwhelming.
Dubie lost a bit of weight, but I have seen no vomitting anymore. And there has been no diarrhoea so far, lest even bloody one with tissue.
The depressive / partially apathetic behaviour from days ago seems over as well. Even though a bit less active than normally, they are in good mood and fool around with each other.
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Don´t know whether Charlie, who stays in the yard all the time, has began comprehending that it is poison attacks, but he is now overly vary and barking at every passerby who has ever been annoying. Even at those whom he´d be ignoring for negligible occurances.
Could also be he´s just trying to emphasize his perceived chief being without his brother in the yard, dunno. But it certainly is no good anyway.
I am making clear that I don´t want it. And he will calm back down I guess.
Monday 24th
Phew!!! This one has passed us by as harmless as it gets. Everyone is already back to normal with appetite and vivdness.
And even yours truly is well up today, with yesterday having had a good day ( apart from usual annoyances) which was finished even with a quiet night and a nice guitar session despite unfiled nails.
Local aquaintances are telling me to cheer up / there shall be found a good place for the dogs. They are just saying so, knowing how chances actually are, but it helps psychologically for now.
Ruphus
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Date Feb. 21 2014 0:19:30
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Ruphus
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RE: Internet sometimes so lacking ba... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Pathological evil and cultural havoc are two different things ( eventhough the second will effect the first).
If looking at a traditional passing on of our earth as carried on the back of a turtle, would you consider it realistic just because of some ideal of equal rights to different cultures, or does there exist a common ground based on traceable facts which will sort out the turtle scene as plain baseless?
Whether tradition or not, the earth carrying turtle will remain nonesense on a level beyond eventual egalitarianism or segregation, right?
And when there be harmful penalizing on behalf of worshipping a baseless earth-carrying turtle then that will be clearly just one thing: Injust.
Not just some debatable other culture, but injust on a general scale. For a common fact.
This is not about some lowly mechanism of prejudice that could be needing some info on irrational rejection, Miguel. This is about actual distortion of the empirical world and actual mistreatment of people, fellow creatures and environment.
If there be objections to what I am just saying please explain them.
Maybe you can find a justification for destructive wordly yieldings on behalf of any some arbitrary construct / myth, but I doubt it.
Maybe there is some sense to intimitating followers with crude tale, to defaming of infidels as creatures from hell whose products are notwithstandingly simultaneously used in a traditional lack of character, which again is being justified as essential attitude for survival in a turtle dogma.
Maybe there is some sense in decimating wildlife for the superstitious idiocy of believing to taking over the animals strength by eating its parts ...
But as I said, you will not be able to present me such garbage as justified culture which was to be pendant to cognitive achievements of pragmatical modernity.
Subjective perception of evil, ... jeez.
We are talking two continents full of actual and routined berserk.
Must you be cut off limbs alive first for the other guy´s dish at the restaurant table vis-à-vis, before able to realize where PC has its place and where a spine to face actual evil / culture that needs to be changed?
We are talking plain misconceptions of atrocity bred out by illiterate mindsets of ancient jumbo mumbo.
And instead of indulging in misaimed political corretness at the expense of billions of mischiefed beings, let´s finally advocate the victims of what is just distortion in general terms of sobriety.
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Having said that, one amazing news from yesterday:
It has been announced that here where there used to be issued 2 mio hunting licenses to unqualified shooters yearly, from now on the hunting of birds will be prohibited for the next 3 years, and shooting of any earth-bound species for 5 years to come.
This is quite some news! Allegedly and rather likely indeed the outcome from international pressure in respect of extincting wildlife in the country.
Unfortunately, corruption is so rampant that the decree alone will be relatively teethless. Still, the enactment is a beginning at least.
Now, if only it could become thinkable to revisit turtle statuts and reform at least the most blatant items of traditional absurdity.
Ruphus
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