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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Learn Flamenco? Can It be Done Online or Youtube/DVD if Necessary?   You are logged in as Guest
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mark indigo

 

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to Erik van Goch) 
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adding an extra tail to a musical line that already has come to an end. So in stead of closing a musical chapter right away one adds an extra compas, often loaded with energy.


yeah, or literally "re-matar" = to kill again!

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Erik van Goch

 

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to mark indigo) 
"to kill again" totally fits the feeling :-)

This is a nice remate i composed for alegrias


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---------------/2-----------/2---------------------------------------------------------
------------------------2-----------------------------/2-----------/2-----------------
--/4~2~0------~4-------------------------------------------2----------------------
------------------------------------------/4~2~0-------~4--------------------------
...1 and the /2 and the /3............../4and the/5 and the /6.....................


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-----------------------------------------------------1------------------------------------
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---------0---------2--/~0-------------------------------------------------------------
--/2---------/4---------------2---/0---------------------------------------------------
../7.....and./8...and / 9....and /10...and./11..and /12
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 5 2013 20:50:28
 
chester

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to tri7/5) 
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There's nothing that says flamenco can't be enjoyed or played by everyone. You don't need to live in spain to do it and not everyone is trying to be a professional at it. There are some awesome players who don't live in Spain and plenty that live here in the states. They all get it. I live in the south and am perfectly happy knowing that my flamenco playing will likely not be heard by anyone outside my immediate family or the internet world should I post a video. I live in basically one of the music and guitar capitals of the world in terms of electric and steel string. I could take the easy way out like you said and not push myself to learn something different but I intentionally sold all my electrics so it would force my hand at flamenco. I was never going to learn it without full dedication. Guess what?!?!?!? I am getting it slowly, surely, with practice and constant immersion.

So that being said to the OP I would recommend ignoring the above advice and finding your own path.


Ever heard of a strawman fallacy? Look it up.

I never said that people shouldn't learn flamenco, just that someone who's never played guitar before shouldn't focus on playing a certain style that's very removed from her. If you would re read my post, I suggested throwing in some flamenco for good measure.

Now on a more personal note - I'm assuming you live in Nashville? You sold all your electrics to focus on flamenco? That's like being in Rome and insisting on eating Thai food.
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tri7/5

 

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to chester) 
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ORIGINAL: chester

Now on a more personal note - I'm assuming you live in Nashville? You sold all your electrics to focus on flamenco? That's like being in Rome and insisting on eating Thai food.


That's correct, after 20 years of playing I was no longer moved by electric guitar and found something that spoke to me greater in flamenco. If it's your prerogative to have to play a music style based on area then more power to you. You'd fit in nicely with all the hipsters around this city. I prefer to find my own path.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2013 22:11:02
 
Arash

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to chester) 
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ORIGINAL: chester

That's like being in Rome and insisting on eating Thai food.


I was in McDonalds while i was in Sevilla.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2013 22:20:48
 
Leñador

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to mark indigo) 
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I was in McDonalds while i was in Sevilla.

Me too, Calle Alfonso XII no?? lol

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2013 22:41:45
 
Arash

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to Leñador) 
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ORIGINAL: Lenador

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I was in McDonalds while i was in Sevilla.

Me too, Calle Alfonso XII no?? lol


I don't remember which Calle man
But the burgers and the coke had a lot more aire and soniquette than those in Germany for sure. And everyone was eating in compas.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2013 23:16:18
 
Leñador

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to mark indigo) 
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I don't remember which Calle man
But the burgers and the coke had a lot more aire and soniquette than those in Germany for sure. And everyone was eating in compas.

Yeah yeah yeah! That must have been the same one! lol
Favorite fast food in Sevilla, "Cien Bocaditos" love it. 100 cañas and 100 bocaditos for 100 euros! Gunna have my B-day there! lol

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2013 0:30:49
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to Leñador) 
100€?

Is that fastfood gourmet?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2013 0:46:15
 
Leñador

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to mark indigo) 
That's 1€ for a caña and a bocadito that's a deal! I had to copy and paste your lil € symbol, my keyboard don't have that ****.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2013 0:59:44
 
Erik van Goch

 

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to chester) 
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ORIGINAL: chester

As for OP - you live in the south. OF THE USA. Not Spain. You're so far from flamenco. It's ok to be interested in it, but unless you're planning on moving to andalucia you're always going to be struggling to 'get it'. Just get a guitar, learn chords, scales, some easy songs (House of the Rising Sun, etc), throw in some Solea and Alegrias falsetas and you'll be happier than you can imagine. Flamenco isn't your end-all-be-all unless you're a gypsy from spain.

I understand you've caught the flamenco 'bug', but try to think clearly and you'll save yourself a lot of regrets down the road such as an expensive 'made-for-flamenco' guitar.

Paco de Lucia isn't a gypsy and on top started his performing career touring the Americas were he met Sabicas who preferred the states over Spain :-).

Grisha isn't exactly a Spanish gypsy as well, nor is Luciano who has incredible potential and is on top of my list of possible future world stars. There are many players around the world that are completely unknown but can play flamenco at incredible levels dude to years and years of serious training.
Some of them can make top level falsetas/compositions as well. Sure, spending years in Spain is advisable (mainly the collaboration with singers and dancers) but in my view passion and talent are equally if not more important as the place you were born or to quote turbo:

"no dream is too big, no dreamer too small".
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2013 1:42:21
 
gustavoalonsolopez

 

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to Quill) 
I've taken Skype lessons from Calvin Hazen for about a year. I had about 11 or 12 years of guitar experience before this, about 8 years of that studying only flamenco. Mostly I was self-taught, with occasional private lessons and workshops. I'm not sure how Calvin deals with beginners, but he's a good teacher. My lessons with him have been focused on refining technique and compas.

Skype has worked well for me, he makes short videos after each lesson and sends me the clips to study from. He's originally from New Mexico, but has lived in Madrid for about 20 years. He's just moving back to the states now. He's been involved with the festival in Albuquerque for many years, and so he has experience working with some really great artists. His prices vary depending on frequency and how many are purchased at a time.
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edguerin

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to Leñador) 
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"Cien Bocaditos" love it. 100 cañas and 100 bocaditos for 100 euros!

Actually, that's "100 Montaditos" and they're planning to come to the US..

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mark74

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RE: WHere and From Whom Did You Lear... (in reply to mark indigo) 
I learned the most about flamenco history and culture from Payo Humberto's Youtube channel (which I highly recommend).

I learned some introductory stuff on Jose Tanaka's website which I was a member of for one month (some basics about compas and some chord progressions and simple falsetas) and some other stuff on Nino de Bela's Youtube channel.

I learned a lot of rumba progressions and strumming patterns from Ramzi Mardem Bey's Youtube channel and quite a few more odds and ends from Toni Flamadeus Youtube channel.

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